jiayang: i very much agree on that front.ou sense from this party of xi's the vastness the sense- vision and it is built on himself being at the center of all of these different streams of power. you wonder, given the lofty goals he set out for china and for himself at the top of china, are they, you know, feasible, given he is one man and the country is complicated? charlie: how old is he? jiayang: i think he is 64. richard: i think that is right. charlie: we do not know who is the most influential person. you mentioned wang qishan. the number three or four guy who was his chief of staff, i think is also influential. you have people coming up in the politburo, not the standing committee. charlie: any women? richard: no. [laughter] richard: there is one woman in the politburo. you can speak to that, if you like. jiayang: i have been so demoralized by the pictures of the party congress over the last week. the sea of suits. you see so few women. richard, i would like your sense on this, but i feel like the women who do get in d

jiayang fan: i think 64.harlie: you suggested one people of the standing committee may be the most influential. richard: there are a couple, the number three or forgot, his chief of staff, i think is also influential. you have people coming up in the politburo, not the standing committee. charlie: any women? richard: no. [laughter] there is one woman in the politburo. [laughter] jiayang fan: i have been so demoralized by the pictures of the party congress over the last week. suits. of few women. , i would like your sense on this but i feel like the women who do get in do so by towing the party line and the white -- and being rigorously confident. there is not a sense that they are pushing for the rights of women or trying to rewrite the rules and me -- in a meaningful sense. richard: they often come up to the party organization. i think you will find, in china, in the private sector, there is a lot of really successful women. there are a lot of arguments about whether china did emancipate women immediately af

we talk to richard mcgreg or and jiayang fan of "the new yorker" magazine. >> it is very evidence that jinping wants to lead china back into the center of the world. he want the world to see the country not as just another superpower but as the superpower. and it is also quite obvious that he does not intend to lead the country on the path of liberal democracy. and he wants to show that the model, the rule that he has exemplified of disciplined authoritarian state, that this is a very possible and ideal is model of rule for other countries around the world. >> rose: we conclude with tom friedman of "the new york times." his book thank you for being late, and optimist guide to thriving in the age of acceleration is out now in paperback. >> trump is a brain-eating disease, so that is that he is-- he sucks up all the oxygen in the roomment we feel we have to write about him, so much, as a columnist, on the one hand i don't want to because i'm not really learning anything when i wrote that colume today. i'm just sort of emoting. expressing my concern. but the fact is, a whole bunch of stuf

we talk to richard mcgreg or and jiayang fan of "the new yorker" magazine. >> it is very evidence thating wants to lead china back into the center of the world. he want the world to see the country not as just another superpower but as the superpower. and it is also quite obvious

jiayang fan is a staff writer for "the new yorker" who writes frequently about china for the magazine and elizabeth economy is from the council on foreign relations. liz, i have to say this seemed a turning point. historians might look back because there are two areas where it seemed that xi jinping was very assertive. one that there is in fact a chinese model for development and he talked openly about how developing countries might want to copy that rather implicitly rather than anything washington tells them. and the second was this idea that china is thinking it's center stage in the world right now. >> i think that both of those things are emblematic of xi's chinese dream. it's the rejuvenation of the great chinese nation. it's the reassertion of the centrality of china on the global stage, and he's making a move right now. i would also say this is somewhat opportunistic, of course, because it happens at a time when the united states is stepping back from its traditional role as a global leader with president trump, you know, stepping out of a number of different agreements. i thi