we in the west use terms like jihadist or mujahideen. i don't use those terms about the enemy. that gives them a secret status which is exactly what they're looking for. jihadists paints a holy warrior. these guys are not warriors buy any means. i will give you an example of that from iraq in a minute. i also don't like the term -- people sometimes use the term to describe these guys. the first four generations of muslims are believed to represent the most pious generations of muslim believers. very large numbers of people in the muslim world what describe themselves as this. millions of people in indonesia, 80% who are muslims call themselves this and yet there are a couple of hundred terrorists in indonesia so i think it's not a good term. another term you sometimes hear means terrorist and arabic. again. that describes the violence but it doesn't describe the ideologies. so when i talk about the etiology of al qaeda i and other people that have worked in the field tend to call them [inaudible] so i would describe al qaeda as terrorists. not all of these are terrorists but al