but because of its reach and influence at home and abroad, it helped set the news agenda. jill abramson was the times in washington bureau chief chris hedges as beat at the time. without kite or in the media was complicit in, perpetuating this mit. you can't make a war on terror. that's o t ology. it's impossible. and yet we reacted we drank from that very dark elixir of nationalism. you have to remember after the attacks of 911, the bush administration, perpetrated on, on purpose this kind of fear. it's how they ended up passing the patriot act in the 2002 authorization use military force act. so you had fear, but then you also had american chauvinism. and that was a very deadly mix that an essence blinded the new york times as an institution. it wasn't just one or 2 reporters right after $911.00. i remember the director of the cia george kenneth calling me. i was the washington bureau chief for the new york times and on that call, enlisting my agreement that the times would not do any reporting or disclose and of intelligence sources and methods. you just start to the washing and post

i went back to the bureau, and jill abramson, who was then our bureau chief, assembled us all downstairsat we do now. and she was right, for the next number of years that is what we did. >> mark mazzetti is with us now. i gave you credit for inspiring the segment. i was saying we were on the air when the war in afghanistan ended, when the pentagon announced that war ended. you made a comment about having been at the pentagon, covering the pentagon on 9/11. i wanted to take some time to ask you about that day and ask you about covering the pentagon in the days and weeks that followed. >> thanks for having me, nicolle. the four months earlier i was asked by my editor at u.s. news and world report whether i wanted to cover the pentagon. i said, you know, i have never covered defense or national security issues. i would probably be in over my head. i remember him saying, don't worry, there's nothing happening. you will be fine. then the day of 9/11 i was actually supposed to be in the pentagon that morning doing an interview, and it got rescheduled the night before for later in that day. so