have seen of michael flynn with vladimir putin, you look at the rest of that picture, you will see jill stein was at the same dinner. that's an anniversary dinner for rt. so suddenly, the move to stein makes sense, because stein is more hospitable to some russian views than would gary johnson have been so there's some logic behind the move to get people to shift over to stein. that said, if you take the baseline vote for jill stein, and this is convenient, because she was the candidate of the party, four years before, so you've got the same candidate which means you can kind of control what people thought about the candidate, if you take the difference between her vote in 2012 and assume 2012 is her base level of support, given the traditional democratic and republican nominee, and you look at the difference between that and the vote that she got in the three key battleground states, in two out of those three states, the difference alone would have been enough to shift those states. so there's not an insubstantial increase in support for stein. now, maybe there's something else going on out t

. >>> some say jill stein delivered trump the presidency. does she believe howard schultz would do the same? let's go outfront. >>> good evening. the breaking news. a stunning new court filing from robert mueller tonight. the special counsel hinting at what could be more indictments. according to the new document, mueller has identified quote uncharged individuals and entities that the government believes are continuing to engage in operations that interfere with lawful u.s. government functions. hold that for a second. this is uncharged individuals and entities. multiple more charges and continuing to engage. continuing to attack the united states of america. that's not all we're learning from today's filing. the special counsel accusing russians of altering documents that weren't publicly available. they got the documents, altered them and released them on to the internet to mislead, discredit mueller's investigation. it's a pretty incredible thing to think. the investigation that's so important for americans to think is fair and conclusio

number one, howard schultz is not jill stein. she was in that race because she thought two candidates were too close together. what howard schultz thinks is the polar opposites of the parties are so far apart but the american people are close together. maybe what we need is a choice for the american people to choose something different, a different path, a different kinds of outcome, different kind of politics in america. secondly, i think that first of all he hasn't made the decision to run, but if he did, i think we can agree it would be a more serious effort than jill stein put together. >> fair enough. we still don't know how much jill stein had from outside actors given where she spent december of 2015. let me ask you this. obviously you're using the book tour to launch an exploratory bid as well as any book tour launch for presidential bid as i have seen in a while. it is clear you want this to be the front. why? what i'm trying to figure out is i don't understand why he wants to run other than he is not them and not them.

however, in a key 2016 swing states of michigan, wivlg whisk, and pennsylvania, green party candidate jill stein a larger number of votes than clinton lost to trump by. so if all those stein votes or even some of them had gone to clinton, she would have won the presidential election. and catch this. in the year 2000, al gore lost florida to george w. bush by 537 votes, by some counts, but green party candidate ralph nader got more than 90,000 votes in florida, which would have swung the election to gore if at least just 538 of those third-party voters had voted for gore. what's shaping up to be a crowded field for 2020, but democrats may not be the only ones facing a contested primary season. there's buzz about a republican who may challenge trump. a republican in the primaries. we'll be back with that one after this break. the military y and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would

has hired former obama aide bill burton as communications advisor saying bill burton who argued jill stein running as a third-party candidate would make trump president, and if howard schultz runs it would be a more serious effort than jill stein. shannon: senator kamala harris is under fire for healthcare, has no problem eliminating all private healthcare plans but at what cost. peter doocy takes a look. >> if you're watching this you have health insurance through a private company because 2 thirds of all americans, 217 million people are covered by private providers but if kamala harris is elected president those providers could disappear and all 217 million could have their care managed by uncle sam. >> for people who like their insurance they don't get to keep it? >> the idea is everyone gets access to medical care and you don't have to go through the process of going through an insurance company. >> reporter: everyone would have a government run plan instead, medicare for all which goes further than the last democratic president's initial picture. >> if you like your healthcare plan y

if you think about the picture you have seen of michael flynn you will see jill stein was at the same dinner. suddenly it all makes sense. there is some logic behind the move. if you take the baseline vote for jill stein and this is convenient because she was the canon of the party for years before. the of the same candidate. the base level of support. and you look at the difference between that two out of those. the difference alone would have been enough to shift those states. i have not seen it. if you could please share it with me it's really interesting. where did the mobilization come from. whether they are targeting and it's precise enough. they had access to the voter playbook. it is a more tentative argument. they affected the democrats around the national convention. what they were doing at that point was putting out information that sanders supporters should not stay with the democratic ticket. the effect that the agenda has throughout the month of october. and then the effect of the agenda i would argue but not through the hacked content but through the illusion of having

max, a former green party candidate jill stein was on cnn this evening.aid she was asked about that dinner she attended with putin and michael flynn, and if mueller has reached out to her. i want you to check this out. >> you say no one from robert mueller's team has reached out to you, no document requests, nothing, from you or anyone who works for you? >> yes, absolutely. and if there was a shred of wrongdoing on my part mueller would certainly know about it because michael flynn has turned states evidence. besides i was completely public throughout aboutly what i was doing. tweeting about it, my speech to a meeting at rt which was attended by jesse ventura, by rocky anderson. it's a meeting of many peace advocates, which is how i happened to be there. >> we know there was a disinformation campaign to help jill stein. but mueller hasn't reached out to her. does that say anything to you? >> well, i mean, if she's telling the truth, and we don't know if she is or not, but assuming she is that would suggest she is not in the special counsel's cross hairs a

obama aide bill burton as communications advisor, the same bill burton who argued in 2016 that jill stein running as a third-party candidate would help make trump president, but now says if howard schultz runs, it would be a more serious effort than jill stein. shannon? >> shannon: all right, trace. thank you very much for the update. another issue for kamala harris, health care. she says she has no problem eliminating all private health care plans but at what cost? correspondent peter doocy takes a look. >> odds are if you are watching this, you have health insurance through a private company, because two-thirds of all americans, 217 million people, are covered by private providers. but if kamala harris is elected president, those providers could disappear, and all 217 million could have their care managed by uncle sam. >> for people out there who like their insurance, they don't get to keep it. >> listen, the idea is that everyone gets access to medical care. you don't have to go through the process of going through an insurance company. >> everyone would have a government-run plan inst

jill stein, thank you very much.emocratic pollster that worked with bill clinton, and the founder of women insight strategies, think you for coming on. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: i do not understand, and maybe i do understand, and that is why i am offended over howard schultz, who is not what we need, but the idea that anybody who might threaten the party needs to be destroyed strikes me as a stalinist reaction. >> let's call a spade a spade, howard schultz has no experience, no platform, no constituency, no need for running except for a vanity play. he is really a democrat, she win he should toss his hat in the democratic process and i would welcome him in that debate. everybody else would as well. let's explore why he is not doing that, because there is another guy on their name michael bloomberg who has far more experience and a record of creating constituencies and moving into his work with, the devoted years and years of blood, sweat, tears, and money into climate change and gun control who was a may

democracy it dead as dan cohen reporting for the grey zone projects everything from the green party's jill stein to instagram to poke him on go to the african american population had been used and confused by the deceptive facebook pages of a private russian troll farm called the internet research agency yes russia even use pokémon. come to twenty sixteen don't like shared. die then they realize. yes this bogeyman go is see i i've backed. russia you can use pokémon go. to manipulate us the cia was doing that. anyway we're getting off track which tends to happen when you follow pickets you around. that yes. bastard fast. ok so we learned from their own poor last month that the russian internet research agency manipulated us with facebook ads if you don't mind know the senate would really prefer you just ignore the facts as facebook admitted fifty six percent of those ads were after the election and roughly twenty five percent of the ads were never shown to anyone. but our brave congress men and women are not going to be dissuaded by reality after the reports came out mark warner tweeted it's incr

jill stein got 1.07%, other, all the others on the ballot, 0.082%. that's 5.1% total. vaughn, as you know, as we all know, the election was really tight. donald trump did not win the popular vote. he won the electoral vote. and there are arguments out there that those gary johnson or jill stein votes, had they gone to the democrats or to hillary clinton, would have completely changed the game. >> mm-hmm. >> and just think about the money that he has to spend in this race, too. i just talked to dave gurwell. he's pa retired postal worker here in des moines. and he said he has voted republican his entire life, voted for donald trump in 2016. he said he will not vote for donald trump in 2020. he does not like his behavior in the white house. i said, what about this guy howard schultz, he said, he heard about him on the local news for the first time. he said he would take a serious look and be interested in what he had to say. on the other side, there are democrats, jeff stag, who usually votes democrat. and you know who he told us who he said he's interested in voting for

initiative end up in iowa to work for the bernie sanders campaign let's not forget they smeared jill stein as well so i mean this is this is an incredible story that no one is reporting on the last twenty seconds but yeah i'm i evidently according to the integrity you're in there i am a kremlin troll and they've located that i post directly out of the kremlin itself they're really good at that they recommend that you've never been there i've never made it on a tour but if they'd like to write me a letter of recommendation that they think i should be pows thing out of the criminal longside putin i bunch appreciate it ok he commits all the time we have for the many thanks and i guess here in moscow and in athens this is the end of our broadcast segment stay with us for the extended version on our you tube channel see you next time and remember cross talk to us. when else so seems wrong. why don't we all just don't call. me old yet to see proud disdain come to execute and in detroit it was betrayed. when something you find themselves worlds apart we choose to look for common ground . they're

you have any thinking on independent candidates -- independent mainstream candidates, not like jill steineeting with that kind of success? has anybody -- >> i mean, look, if you want to talk about an independent candidate who really sort of resonated with a broad cross section of the country, go back to 1992, generation ago, ross perot, independent got about 20% of the vote running as an independent that year. there's been a lot of talk in the years since he swung the election away from bush to clinton. not a lot of evidence to that. of course, ralph nader in 2000, green party candidate, he had 93,000 votes in the state of florida. final victory margin for george w. bush in florida was just 537 votes. we had been talking about that one for a generation or so since then i think that's one of the reasons every time now you get a third party candidate who potentially steps into the mix, everybody's mind goes back to 2000 and they think of that extraordinarily close race in florida. they think of nader. for that matter they think of pat buchanan pat buchanan was also there and that butterfly

jill stein pulled a decisive number of democrats from hillary clinton in wisconsin and michigan.hat one. howard schultz should show that they don't always spoil things but usually does. and that's "hardball" for now. and that's "hardball" for now. >>> tonight on "all in. " >> is donald trump an intellectual? trust me i'm like a smart person. >> the president mocks his intelligence chief as they warn of another shutdown. tonight senator chris murphy on the shrinking presidency of on the on the. >>> new reporting

it was the same for people ril r ralph nader and jill stein. there are ways to change the way we conduct elections but you have to do the work of making that change and making those investments as o popposed to ju thinking if we all believed strongly enough we could overcome the laws ofarrhythm arithamitic. >> they believe that some will logically vote for him. >> it amazes me that somebody at his level in the world wouldn't do more research, at least a goog google search about who he thinks he is reaching. he conflats independents with moderates. there are a lot of independents, but it doesn't follow that that they occupy the center. and that the center is not where he thinks it is. there are about 16% of the american people who say the two parties are too extreme, right? those people will would receptive maybe to the pitch he is making -- >> and some who identify as republicans and some that identify as democrats that might come -- you're growing on a base of 16% according to pew research. not 40. >> absolutely not 40. most people that identi

. >>> some say jill stein delivered trump the presidency.eve howard schultz would do the same? let's go outfront. >>> good evening. the breaking news. a stunning new court filing from robert mueller tonight. the special

in 2016 you saw gary johnson, the libertarian, jill stein, the green party candidate.y were just a symptom, each of them was, to the party of clinton. 2000 ended up being a perfect example of it. ralph nader got 93,000 votes in florida. al gore only lost florida by 537 votes. also, by the way, pat buchanan. there was the whole issue with the butterfly vote that seemed in confusion to vote for him. in that very narrow circumstance, you can clearly see where third party had the effect. but when it comes to the question here of schultz and what effect he would have, you heard it there. the democrats say he splits the anti-trump vote. trump has a majority disapproval rating right now. the democrats saying those folks will be content to vote against trump, don't give them more than one option. give the folks one option, they'll all vote against trump and trump will be out of office. it's a theory that schultz would complicate that. the history of these third-party candidaies is they don't always land the way they say they will. and does his candidacy just offer a home for t

. >> you could make a good case that jill stein in michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, made a big differencelast race. if i own stock in starbucks, and if i really thought howard schultz was going to win, i would sell every share i've got. because the democratic boycott of starbucks would be absolutely enormous in the end, i kind of doubt if he does. but i'll tell you what democrats would act very, very, very hostilely, i think, if they saw someone coming from the left and running as an independent, siphoning votes out. wow. that would not be a pretty sight. >> all right thank you, charlie cook and to doris kerns-good win. >>> up next, the campaign to save a historical black college. the critical funding they need, and the celebrities that are rallying to help be rightac bk. if you have psoriasis, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not a cream. it's a pill that treats moderate to severe plaque psoriasis differently. with otezla,75% clearer skin is achievable. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. it may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. otezla i

jill stein pulled a decisive number of democrats from hillary clinton in wisconsin and michigan. we know who won that one. howard schultz should show that they don't always spoil things but usually does. and that's "hardball" for now. and that's "hardball" for now. >>> tonight on "all in. " >> is donald trump an intellectual? trust me i'm like a smart person. >> the president mocks his intelligence chief as they warn of another shutdown. tonight senator chris murphy on the shrinking presidency of on the on the. >>> new reporting oaffmeeting of the president's son and election interference. >>> he asked me for a contribution for the senate race. >> it should be less about billionaires getting to hang on to that last 2% of their bezillion dollars. >> and he called it the eighth wonder of the world. >>> we can say the eighth wonder of the world. >> donald trump and the fox con boon doggal. >> except i became president. >> when "all in" starts right now. >>> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. fresh off the biggest defeat of his presidency. the failed government shutdown, do

they'll blame ralph nader in 2000 and even jill stein in 2016. is there data that shows that third party candidates draw more from one party than another? >> not really, no. obviously, ralph nader haunts the memories of democrats more than anyone possibly could imagine but if you look back from 1980 when john anderson ran he took it from carter to reagan. and 1992, perot, he took equally between clinton and bush. i'm just not sure there's a lot of evidence to suggest that schultz will pull from either one of the parties disproportionately. president trump's approval rating is so low that democrats would be a favorite right now and anything that could enter the party and upset that worries them a lot. >> we know his team is looking at polling data like the newest gallup polling that says 39% of americans see themselves as independent. that's more than see themselves as republicans or democrats. and they think axios is reporting that they could then bring trump down a statistical floor of 26 to 28%. but schultz is, has been, until now, in his words

we've seen independent candidate s like ross perot, and even ralph nader and jill stein takeaway votesndidates running for the republican democratic ticket , and the democrats believe that schultz would pull a lot of support from anti-trump voters who would normally go to the democrats, so there's a furious effort underway both publicly and privately, among democrats discourage howard schultz for running for president. >> a very close race could come down to a few states as always and a third party candidate could really swing it one way or the other. another challenge in a very crowded field is getting enough attention. take a listen to former governor mike huckabee on that issue and i'll get you to respond. >> it's very difficult to get your message out, especially if the media decides to pick one or two candidates and to just give them all the attention. that's what happened to us and an actual study shows that donald trump got 90% of all the coverage during a two-week period in august, on cnn's primetime and the other 16 candidates shared the remaining 10%. in that kind of environm

any democrats still steaming over jill stein's 2016 bid.ratic party in washington state where schultz's former coffee empire is based treated a photo of a starbucks cup with the words on it, "don't do it, howard!" 202020 democratic hopeful julian castro voicing the fears of some in his party, here. >> obviously, if he runs, it's going to make an impression on the race. but i do share that concern. i have a concern that if you did run, essentially it would provide donald trump with his best hope of getting reelected. so his only hope, if things stay the same -- and that's a big "if" -- is essentially to get somebody else, a third party, to siphon off those votes. i don't think that's in the best interest of our country. we need new leadership. i would suggest to mr. schultz to truly think about the negative impact that that might make. >> harris: and that's a democrat. president trump also got his digs in. "howard schultz doesn't have the guts to run for president. watched in on "60 minutes" last night, and i agree with him that he's not "th

he was immediately attacked by democrats as the jill stein equivalent. chaos, basically.ox washington correspondent kristin fisher has been following it and joins us tonight. >> kamala harris spend a lot of time in the speech going after president trump and his policies. she called his wall a medieval vanity project and she called his policy of separating families of the border at human rights abuse. as for her own policies, though, she is proposing tax reform that would reverse republican tax cuts, criminal justice reform. she says she's running so no parent has to teach their young son that police officers and i'm quoting "stop him, arrest him, chase him, or kill him because of his race." she also wants universal pre-k and debt-free college and medicare for all. on that last point, another possible 2020 contender is calling free health care as false a promise as the wall. the starbucks billionaire howard schultz's infuriating many democrats by threatening to run as an independent which could split the anti-trump vote and help him win a second term. >> i am seriously thi

independent candidates who have had the most negative imfrakt their perspective are ralph nader and jill stein who demon strait strablly helped elect republican presidents '. >> i think they're freaked out about his $3 billion more than anything else. i think that's the thing that makes him -- >> which he said he would be willing to spend. >> all of it. >> which gets you three coffee at starbucks. >> i think people are going to try to figure out what that means. because i think about if you're going to win you're going to have to get people from the democrat side and also the republican side. so independent centrists, what does that mean? and it's going -- i think that there's going to be a little bit more pressure on him to kind of figure out where those policies are and how they can get some of those people to come together in the middle so he has enough of a voting base. because you're just -- i don't know what ma means. i don't know where he stands on several trade issues or other issues that really -- that are important. >> there is broad -- to the center right and left on policies much t

jill stein, thank you very much.ratic poster works with bill clinton and the founder of whitman insight strategies. thanks very much for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: i don't understand, or maybe i do understand and that's why i'm offended, the reaction against howard schultz, who for the record i think is a dilettante and a buffoon and not what we need, i'm not endorsing howard schultz but the idea that anybody who might threaten the party needs to be destroyed strikes me as kind of a stalinist reaction, doesn't it? >> howard schultz has no experience, noch platform, no n constituency and no reason for running other than if your stomach pure vanity plate. if we take them at his word is really democrat, he could toss his hat in the democratic primary process that it would welcome him and welcome the debate. ethink everyone else would as well. but let's explore why he's not doing that. because there's another guy in there named michael bloomberg was far more experience, a demonstrated record of actual

he's not jill stein. he's not ross perot. he's not ralph nader.d is he wants to have a conversation with the american people to see if perhaps the hour of disruption may be at hand for our utterly broken political system. and make no mistake about it, the brokenness of that political system is what resulted in the election of donald john trump. are we fated in perpetuity to be in this cycle of revenge politics, of self-interest where the american people are not represented, their future is not represented, or can we do something better? 600 days before the election, he's asked the question. and so we decry rightly the ill liberalism of donald trump, his attacks on the press, his attacks on the rule of law, but what about the illiberalism of people who claim to oppose trump who shout down people from the public square. it seems that for some the progressive utopia that is on the horizon is one that will not come about by persuasion but by imposition because you better dare not speak out of line, out of turn, no deviation or you are shouted down and

remote look we didn't think donald trump was going to win in two thousand and sixteen which is why jill stein you know that nobody took these these third party candidates these seriously because it looked like hillary clinton was going to win and win relatively handily so the prospect of that happening again just has people unable to to see straight and yes. donald trump's vision for getting reelected is he's going to pick on people of color terrorists immigrants people in venezuela wherever he's going to find somebody that he can get his base to kind of get riled up in opposing and he has to pray that there's going to be again a third and a fourth and maybe if it's party to siphon off votes so no matter how strong a democrat the democratic nominee is that somehow or other maybe forty two percent whatever he could get might be a winning hand look the democrats should by rights in the congressional elections that we just saw they beat the republicans by eight or nine percent. you know by rights that should be enough but again the concern is the the horror of donald trump getting reelected is s

if you look at the margin of victory where jill stein, her margin with material.choose someone who is way out on the left, they have to have a real conversation about whether or not the person can authentically with go back to the sender and how many voters will sit at home and not vote for the end were donald trump in 2020. that should be a big calculation as they go to what i think is a long process probably into the spring of next year to choose their nominee. neil: they will eventually settle on one individual, but is this doing any damage at this point? >> i can tell you this. i grew up in detroit with a lot of blue-collar workers in the auto industry. i think they feel strongly about president trump. it will be difficult for the candidate they seen so far with my blue-collar friends which looks a lot like pennsylvania, ohio and wisconsin. if they don't take those dates, they will have an impossible time winning the presidency. i don't see any candidate on the left putting up an agenda which appeals to the people i grew up with in the auto industry in detroit

look last night someone was telling me they were blaming jill stein on hillary clinton's loss againstd trump in '16. >> you're throwing your weight behind the far left instead of someone you've known for years and everything else, and immediately -- i can't believe you don't believe kamala harris or elizabeth warren is where the party should be rather than howard schultz >> i didn't say any of that at all. >> projecting. >>> when we come back, we have results to pfizer results this morning. also you are looking at shares of 3m which reported about an hour ago that stock is now indicated up by 3.1%. it's a gain of $6. 3m beat on both the earnings and the revenue, gave a little bit of a lowered guidance for the full year, but we'll talk more about that too right now as we head to break, take a look at the u.s. equity futures. as 3m has picked up, the dow has too. right now the dow indicated up by about nine points s&p futures down by just about a point and a half, and the nasdaq down by close to three points. stick around "squawk box" will be right back. >>> welcome back to "squawk box,