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. >> let me turn it to jim abrams. >> one of the other major issues is the regional divided. saying that your ability, the revenue justice not work for them. can you talk a little bit about their concerns and the efforts you are making? perhaps why your bill satisfies? >> it is in the eyes of the beholder. from the first, i think the chairman and i indicated to all the commodity groups that this is a different year. this is the year that we have to change. the same thing was true in 1996. there's a lot of opposition to it and that protected the time from the south. that changed once they learn to appreciate the direct payments. this is the situation where we tried to indicate to the people that we will do everything we possibly can, given the circumstances that we have. people obviously do feel that certain crops are not treated fairly or, to be more accurate, it just does not work as well as we hoped it could work out. both of the chairwoman and of myself and my staff's have worked very hard with the senators. we have tried to come up with answers for them in regards to bett

jim. some moments with dan abrams.it's not often that you see a jury so visually shaken. >> occasionally, you'll see them in autopsies shown, so gruesome but this is heart wrenching, that it would seem to indicate that the jurors believed him which is terrible news for jerry sandusky and the defense. >> and his lawyers must have known this. and you wonder why they let this go to trial. >> didn't have much of a choice. prosecutors said either you plead guilty to all the charges or we can go to trial. i think there's a sense they should have tried to cut a deal. my sense is there was never any deal on table. >> sandusky said nothing? >> to use a football phrase, it might be the hail mary, if things are going so badly for the defense, even though sandusky was terrible in his media interviews, maybe they take the chance to put him on the stand. but i think either way, this is a tough, tough defense. >>> in another high-profile case, george zimmerman's wife was arrested and charged with perjury. this is the first time the w

jim. >>> let's bring in dan abrams for more on this. what a devastating day for the defense. what do they do after a day like that? >> it's tough to figure out where they go from here. because there are more witnesses coming forward. they have tried to attack witnesses' credibility, saying that their stories have changed. that memories have faded. they may have motives to lie. but it doesn't seem to be really that effective because you've got so many different witnesses coming forward. remember, we talked a lot about mcqueary leading into this case. and he is absolutely crucial. he is the linchpin when it comes to the downfall of the penn state officials. but when you compare his testimony to that of all these accusers, who are saying, i didn't have to witness it, i was there. >> and breaking down in tears on the witness stand. you saw jurors breaking down in tears. the defense comes back and says, are you in this for the money? it didn't seem to cut. >> it doesn't seem the jurors are believing that. if you've got jurors in tears over the testimony of an 18-year-old who is ta

jim avila on this case from the start. thanks to you. i want to bring in senior legal analyst dan abrams, you and i were tweeting last night. something still striking to people. sandusky's own attorney asks if this proves his client a sick man after his overwhelming message from the jury. look what he said. >> does that prove to me my client was sick? the answer was no. you know, folks, there are lots of people sitting in jails across this country who are innocent. there are people, lots of people, lots of people -- may i finish? >> nearly booed off the courthouse steps incredible to listen to. >> this is a press conference that he should not have held. he doesn't want to quite say his client is innocent. he doesn't want to point the finger at victims in this case. he should have came out and made aid quick statement and called it a day. i think this hurt him an his client more than it did help. >> you saw our teams reporting that dottie sandusky, his wife, didn't shed a tear when this was read. she was shaking her head in the courtroom. i look down the road, is she in the clear? >> i th

jim. >>> for more, let's bring in our analyst, dan abrams. there's several grounds for potential appeal. one that sandusky's lawyers tried to get themselves removed from the case. >> they said they didn't have enough time to prepare the defense. not a winning grounds for appeal. also, they're going to cite an nbc tape that was entered into evidence that was edited in a misleading way. they're going to say, the jurors saw this misleading edited tape and should have seen it as it happened. that's more legitimate. but it's probably going to be considered a harmless error. >> what about the more federal investigations into the penn state officials that knew of the complaints about sandusky and reportedly did nothing or not enough to protect those boys? >> that's right. it seems the federal investigation isn't focusing as much on jerry sandusky and more on what may have been or might have been or could have been a cover-up. and there the questions are fraud and misuse of funds and -- a university like penn state gets a lot of federal money. so, th

jim. thank you. >>> we're going to bring in our legal analyst, dan abrams. we're going to ask you that in a moment. but first, sandusky, the chances he would take the stand? >> ordinarily, i would say, no way he's going to take the stand. looking at the kind of evidence coming in in this case, i would say, it could be their only hope. and you listen to how he performed in those media interviews. and you say to yourself, how could they possibly put him on the stand? i mean, he was a disaster in those media interviews. so, he's in a -- somewhere between a tough and impossible spot. i think he's probably not going to take the stand. and if he does, my guess is, it's not going to end up well. >> no telling what he'll say, based on what we've seen, in those media interviews. >> you can't parse words the way he parses words in the media interviews. >> he'll be grilled. >> yeah. he'll follow up. what did you mean by this? they can bring in all of the media interviews, as well. >> how about his wife? you heard what jim said. could she take the stand? and what help c

abrams who was ronald reagan's assistant secretary 1981-1985. he is now at the council for foreign relations. next to can we are proud to have jim mcgovern who in 1989 was the lead investigator on the commission investigating the murders in al-sabah door -- el salvador. he is also of the house minority whip/wiules . harris was the first human rights dissenter. he will talk to you about his adventures in chile -- >> argentina. >> argentina. sorry. as you know drl was a bureau in the state department that was born of controversy. it was forced upon us by a bipartisan congressional group right and left to felt that this building was not understanding writes that human rights need to play. i would like to cal on mark and tex to talk about what it was like in the department site and on the field side when the bureau was created. getting it up and running. intregal.making it in durabl >> thank you. thank you for putting this together. this makes you feel old. we are celebrating the 35th anniversary of the establishment of the first formal human rights policy. it was a major shift in the way that people thought about foreign policy. yo