and i am please to have jim baker back at this table.ank you, charlie. >> looking ahead to foreign policy, one thing we have talked about before and you headed up an important committee. you and lee hamilton. >> yes. what will history say about iraq? >> i think it is too early to know. i think it is still, still baking. >> rose: go ahead. >> it could be, it could really say some very good things about it. if iraq -- it iraq turns out to be an open and pluralistic society as peace with its neighbors and that doesn't brutalize its own people it is going to be -- it will say very good things. >> rose: and theç fears about iraq don't seem about to happen which is be sub serv subservien. >> i don't think you will see iç subservient to iran. >> there is more shiite. >> there is more space there programs for iran. but, you know, what is happening it is day to day in iraq it is very encouraging, they are having an arab league summit in iran -- in iraq and proving to the audit saudis and other arab countries that come there we are not a vassal s

>> rose: supreme court justices on health care reform, jim baker on george bush and gary ross on "the hunger games" when we continue. >> >> captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: we begin this evening again with continued coverage of the supreme court hearings on president barack obama's health care law. it was the third d the fin day of argentsverhe legislation. the court considered whether the entire law should be struck down if the individual mandate requirement is invalidated. it also addressed the constitutionality of the provision expanding medicaid coverage. the ruling is expected to be announced in june. this could play a significant role in the upcoming presidential election some say. joining me from washington, jeffrey toobin of cnn and the "new yorker" magazine. i am pleased to have him here. especially because he was in the courtroom. so tell me about this third day and what we might read from the questioning of the justice >> wel charlie, tis was yet another astonishing day in the courtroom because the

jim baker, said where you statistic, jim baker. >> a wonderful guy. >> statistic here three nights ago and he said, you know, if we don't do something, we are greece. i happen to be bullish on america's prospect in the future and i tell people all the time, never, never, never, ever bet against uncle whiskers because if you do you are going to lose. now, will we decline if we don't get a handle around our debt bomb? you bet we will, we have, you know, people ask me what is the most serious problem facing us today? >> and i say it is the economy, the economy, and the economy. in that order. we cannot continue down this path that we are now on. where we are building a greater and greater and greater levels of debt. our debt to gdp the next five years is going to be 100 percent simply unsustainable. we have got to get a handle on that or we will be in decline. >> rose: you have said without the reserve, without the dollar being the reserve currency we would be greece. >> that is correct if we didn't have the dollar today, with our debt to gdp, we would be be greece. >> rose: he is absolut

ladies and gentlemen, jim baker. [ applause ] >> thank you, thank you, ladies and gentlemen. and thank you, susan, for a very warm and generous introduction. and thank you as well for all you have done to nurture and honor the wonderful legacy of both your dad and your mom. dick ford, other distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen, let me say to begin with that it's a great pleasure for me to be back in grand rapids. i've been here a number of times. and i'm delighted to be back, particularly to celebrate this 30th anniversary of the gerald r. ford library and museum because this library and museum also does an extremely wonderful job of maintaining the legacy and not just the legacy but the lessons of a man, a president who was much more than just a man of his times. gerald ford was a great and timeless american who day in and day out demonstrated characteristics that will always serve, i think, as models for our leaders, those leaders of today as well as those leaders of tomorrow. but before i talk about his legacy, i would first like to state as a matter of personal priv

with jim baker and the smart guys, what did they do? it was a revelation of betrayal. they took them to the wood shed. all of those guys fell for it. would you do that? would you fire fernstrom, change the story from revelation and trouble, to truth, to this guy misbehaved? >> no, first of all, erik a friend of mine, i think he is very smart and skilled. >> i think you fire him and you make the problem even worse. you bring more attention to it. >> what would you do? >> i would lean into it. >> he is a rich guy, out of touch with reality, and he is willing to say anything. >> it's two separate questions, how do you get beyond the etch-a-sketch thing or -- >> obama care, it's gone. >> can you imagine a candidate that comes out and admits his worst failing, that his word is not his bond, what an amazing statement. >> right, and you either fire him, or you put distance between yourself and him which he also didn't do. if he should be fired now it will just extend the story. >> let's turn over the pillow to the cold side. everybody sort of likes jeb bush. >> i really like

i'm reminded of what jim baker said during the florida recount. you can't change the rules in the middle of the game. that's exactly what the republican party is doing to its own base right now. >> that's what santorum is alleging. we'll see if it helps him out in ohio. thank you. greatly appreciate it. >> thanks. >>> coming up. >> sandra fluke is having so much sex, she can't pay for it. >> that was rush limbaugh not yesterday but today. an hour ago. doubling down on his attack of georgetown student sandra fluke after he called her a prostitute for having insurance cover birth control for women. he's calling birth control welfare. how the so-called war on women has helped democrats raise a million dollars in just one week. >>> first, one step at a time for the first time since the deadly shooting at on ohio high school. students return to class. we'll have a live report. join our conversation on twitter. you can find my twitter page at tamron hall. juice drink too watery? ♪ feel the power my young friend. mmm! [ male announcer ] for excellent fru

why doesn't he hire a jim baker, somebody that knows how to discipline him? thank you, john heilman, joe klein. the election is too early to call no matter how passionate you are. >>> up next, how the republican party has made a serious problem with itself with women. going into depth in this, frank rich joins us next on "hardball." [ male announcer ] what if an entire car insurance company was thought up and built and run to save people money? what if that company was born online, with tools and apps to make people feel like geniuses? and what if that company was now backed by the stability and reliability of allstate? well, what if that company was esurance and this wasn't just a bunch of hypothetical questions? could be cool-ish. esurance. insurance for the modern world. click or call. >>> "politico" is the first to report on the latest fall of newt gingrich. last night, their headline, newt gingrich cuts staff, aims for tampa. chris cillizza wrote this today, make no mistake, this is the end of the gingrich campaign. he's out of money or close to it, with

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it sounds like we're going back to i would call it i guess the powell, bush 41, jim baker era of foreign policy but it all had the vietnam hangover. are we going to have an afghanistan hangover. listening to both romney now and obama that makes u.s. foreign policy in general, i guess, more cautious? >> i think we need to be careful about the vietnam parallels. we have reached a tech moment where we're now public opinion towards afghanistan is in permanent decline. and the stage is set for, you know, exit stage right. i think the danger here is actually we're reaching an iraq moment. we are at risk of staying too long, so long that we in trying to achieve narrow short-term objectives, we jeopardize the long-term partnership that was premised behind the intervention in iraq and the intervention in afghanistan. >> now, one of the reasons we're in afghanistan that nobody ever talks about is simply because of the issue of pakistan. this fear that pakistan's instability, they are a nuclear nation. if we have an unstable country right next door in afghanistan run by the taliban, potentially ope

. >> reagan's two top advisers jim baker and ed meese are having a conversation about the historic transferof power to the vice president while reagan's in life-saving surgery and they're having this conversation in a janitor's closet. >> transferred to vice president george h.w. bush and reighen in stable condition remarkably by the very next day, even signing a bill from his hospital bed. remarkable it was so long ago. >> right. >> but it does, an excellent book, "rawhide down e" tells you something, whether you liked ronald reagan's politics or not the way he handled himself at that time and nancy handled herself during that time -- >> it takes those very scare moments to give, bring a lot of clarity toy what matters and how it kind of brings people back to acting respectful. he said it really well. you say, you don't like his policies but people really respected him as a person. >> admired his strength. can you imagine. we asked del about this. if that happened in this age. >> no kidding. >> in the twitter verse age, everybody's camera going online, a completely different event. >> diff

why doesn't he hire a jim baker, somebody that knows how to discipline him? you, john heilman, joe klein. the election is too early to call no matter how passionate you are. >>> up next, how the republican party has made a serious problem with itself with women. going into depth in this, frank rich joins us next on "hardball." >>> "politico" is the first to report on the latest fall of newt gingrich. last night, their headline, newt gingrich cuts staff, aims for tampa. chris cillizza wrote this today, make no mistake, this is the end of the gingrich campaign. he's out of money or close to it, with few prospects to raise more. polling suggests he will finish behind texas rep ron paul in the april 3rd wisconsin primary. he already placed fourth in the illinois primary last week. he lacks any obvious regional or ideological base in the party. this is what the end looks like. wow for chris cillizza. ♪ spread a little love today ♪ ♪ spread a little love my way ♪ ♪ spread a little something to remember ♪ ♪ ♪ spread a little joy... [ female announcer ] fresh milk an

what did jim baker and the smart guys like deaver and gergen did, put him to betrayial.one-day story. would you fire fernstrom and make that the issue? fire the aide that said it, change the story from revelation and trouble to truth to this sort of the guy misbehaved? >> no. first of all eric is a friend of mine, very smart. >> certainly, assume he's not your friend. >> fire him and make the problem worse, draw more attention to it. >> what would you do? >> i'd lean into it. >> lean forward. >> what would you do? how do you lean forward about these admissions the guy's a rich guy out of touch with reality who is willing to say anything to get past the yahoos on the rights so he can get to the general election? >> two separate questions, how do you get beyond the etch-a-sketch? >> etch-a-sketch? >> obama care, it's gone if i'm elected president. >> can you imagine a top guy admits his worst failing which is the guy is not to be believed. his word is not his bond. >> yeah. >> what an amazing statement. >> it is and you got to do one of two things, fire him immediately whi

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and jim baker and president bush 41 put together a game plan and won that election.appened four years later. that's also applicable to where we are now. george bush 41 presides over the winning war in iraq, he puts together the most impressive alliance we have seen in the last 40 or 50 years, his numbers go from 75% to 80% -- >> the soviet union collapses christmas day 1981. >> berlin wall comes down, he manages it so well that he later got tears in his eyes as he on a public stage thanked george bush for how he managed the berlin wall collapse and the reunification of germany. that's how he goes into his reelection campaign and loses to a guy who has a girlfriend who appears in the middle of that summer talking about her long-time affair with the governor of arkansas. so got to keep all of this stuff in mind. >> it ain't over. >> so, nicolle, i want to get -- >> and then the guy says, thanks for saving me from the draft right before the new hampshire primary on top of it all. >> nicolle -- >> do you think george h.w. bush has gotten over that yet? >> he has a real g