. >> and jim baker, as you all probably studied from the textbooks of how he would run -- the legislativeategy, ron you came in to fix some messes later on on a number of issues, the meetings in the morning saying the targets, and then the meetings at night, i don't see any of that from this team. >> i agree with that, but it starts at the top. you can't have a message meeting in the morning if the first thing is to see the president tweeted at 6:00 a.m. o at midnight. >> in the end, white houses reflect the president. i worked for two presidents that were very different people, but they had a clear idea of what they were doing, what they were trying to do, and getting it done. we have seen a lot of noise and mess but no action to deliver on his agenda. there has been no progress on it. >> all you had to navigate was the disputes between the vice president and the first lady that was competing with him for things like health care and other big issues. that was not an easy -- >> there are always rivaling people. it is all about setting the tone, getting things done. i'm not a fan or friend

jim baker had that under ronald reagan. if you go by this incident with article 5 and they flurry to give that speech, it's hard to see this staff is doing that with donald trump. >> not good news. michael beschloss, presidential historian. >> i wish i could have been a little bit more kauj tonight, joy. >> it's okay. we like you to keep it real. thank you very much. >> doing my best. >> indeed. up next, a report on that top secret nsa document that was leaked to the press and the news tonight that the alleging leaker has been arrested. what's the best way to get two servings of veggies? v8 or a fancy juice store? ready, go! hi, juice universe? one large rutabaga, with eggplant... done! that's not fair. glad i had a v8. the original way to fuel your day. abdominal pain... ...and diarrhea. but it's my anniversary. aw. sorry. we've got other plans. your recurring, unpredictable abdominal pain and diarrhea... ...may be irritable bowel syndrome with diarrhea, or ibs-d. you've tried over-the-counter treatments and lifestyle chan

>jim baker who was everybody's choice as the. >> rose: gold standard. >> gold standard, when he switched jobs with don regan, the treasury secretary, regan came in and he was completely ill suited for the job and the next thing you know there was no coincidence that a harebrained scheme was cooked up in the white house basement and began the iran-contra scandal. never would have happened on james baker's watch, so i think, i think these guys are typically being a little bit modest. >> rose: here is the money question. what would you change if you were now chief of staff for donald trump? >> i would try to enforce -- the president and ever else in the white house, taste your words before you spit them out. why tweet, or tweet them out, because the president's words make a big difference. they make a difference on the white house staff. the bureaucracy, the executive branch of the government, congress and the world and so i would want discipline around the words that are spoken by the president and subordinately by the white house staff, which actually gives more discipline over don't leak

jim baker had that under ronald reagan. al haig had that during the last year under richard nixon. ed independent stature of his own and kept nixon from doing dangerous things. if you go by this incident with article 5 and they flurry to flurry to give that speech, it's hard to see this staff is doing that with donald trump. >> not good news. michael beschloss, presidential historian. thanks as always. always great talking to you. >> i wish i could have been a little bit more calm tonight, joy. >> it's okay. we like you to keep it real. thank you very much. >> thank you. doing my best. >> indeed. up next, a report on that top secret nsa document that was leaked te press and the news tonight that the allegg leaker has been arrested. plus, the president got a rather interesting job offer today, and i'll explain. stay with us. it's the phillips' lady! anyone ever have occasional constipation,diarrhea, gas or bloating? she does. she does. help defend against those digestive issues. take phillips' colon health probiotic caps daily with three types of good bacteria. 400 likes? wow! try p

as jim baker said, it's very targeted, very focused. from your perspective right now, headed toward the end of the year and the question of reauthorized this, what top of mind civil liberties issues you think people in this room in particular are going to have to confront? >> sure. the central concern always with intelligence authorities is the political misuse of intelligence that's gathered. it's a somewhat different concerns from primarily lies in the criminal surveillance text. and two halves to that. one is an insufficiently unaccountable intelligence community using the data that's collected but somewhat kark ka churs now of j. edgar hoover. yanking the leash on his nominal overseers, using the power of the information he's amassed about them. the other is the insufficient autonomous intelligence agencies, that's fine, loyalists to the administration tower using it to get the tools of evidence. one of the reasons i think it's raised as a special concern the scale is magnified so dramatically. if you think back to the kind of intel

but you could bring in jim baker at his peak in 1986 or whenever he was advising reagan, and if the president't willing to take advise from smart people like david urban, who would be a terrific pick -- he's a really smart guy. he was arlen specter's chief of staff. he served in the military, et cetera. but the president has to be willing to not necessarily agree with all of his staff, but take their opinions at times, and i think sometimes the president struggles with that. >> and urban would be terrific because for what you put your finger on. he served arlen specter. he told arlen specter when he was wrong, which is no small order, right? and was listened to, and that's what trump needs. trump is surrounded by -- >> but i'm not sure that people aren't already doing that, and he's still not paying attention... >> his own daughter opposed him on the climate change, the paris deal, and he didn't choose to go that way. >> i'm not sure that there aren't people doing that. in the end, it has to be up to trump to say that this is not the same thing as running the trump organization. and until tha

so i actually want to start with jim baker. i think -- not to put you in the spotlight or anything. i think you might be most senior and you get to stand in for the interests of law enforcement maybe and national zurt in this. i just want to start with a sort of basic first order question which is, can you just explain to us, you know, in plain english why section 702 authorities are important for the work that the fbi is doing. i mean, what is the sort of baseline that you come at of why this is an important capability that i presume you will say needs to be reauthorized. >> well, shane, thank you. thank you to the hoover institution for having us here so i appreciate that. 702 as matt olson was saying in the last panel is vital to the fbi and to the intelligence community. it provides us with wide range of foreign intelligence information, especially including actionable intelligence, stuff that we can actually do something about and so that's critically important for us. it is something that the fbi takes in and combines with other information that we have lawfully acquired just

in the reagan white house, which is now romanticized, jim baker came from one direction, mike dever came from another, the national security counselor came from another, reagan presided over the whole thing. and reagan in the end made the decisions. the same thing is happening here. they brought in a lot of really smart people from many different directions. people talk about goldman sachs, they've had a lot of alumni there. on the other hand, stephen bannon, and here is bannon, the nationalist, it's hardly -- it's a tribute to how good they are. it's the harvard of financial investing. in the end, it comes down to one person. like franklin delano roosevelt or evan lincoln or ronald reagan, that one person has a pretty good sense of where he wants to go. and trump routinely runs over everybody, routinely opposes them, gets them back on track. this is a very bold, very dramatic and profoundly transformational direction. >> tucker: that's reassuring from a man who understands truck. thank you. journalists are saying tonight that trumps rhetoric is placing them in physical danger. time to g

i think that they listened to people like jim baker who came in and said we need this authority and jim clearly believes that and is acting in good faith and they said we trust you. and they granted the authority. and they didn't really know what was involved in it. i think as the details some of the details are coming out and as they're focusing more on it, i think there's going to be room for some of those people to say not let's get rid of 702, not that this is a travesty, not that we need a warrant anytime we target a foreigner but can we trim some of the fat around the ends of the law where is where kind of most of the risks are. do we need the ability to get any foreigner overseas? could we be more specific so that the stuff isn't held on to for five years or longer if the fbi looks at it and says i don't know. so i think we might see that level of engagement from some people. that's welcome. yeah. >> bringing up the fact that i'm no expert but you kept mentioning that the law basically says if you're a foreigner overseas, we can target you. willy-nilly. we don't have to have a re

think about when jim baker, everyone's choice as the gold standard, when he swapped jobs with the treasuryretary, regan came in and was completely ill-suited to the job. a harebrainedce scheme was cooked up in the white house basement and became the iran-contra scandal. never would have happened on james baker's watch. these guys are typically being modest. charlie: here is my question, what would you change if you are now -- if you were now chief of staff for donald trump? >> i would try to enforce a rule from the president and everyone tasten the white house, your words before you spit them out or tweak them out -- tweet them out. because the president's words make a difference. they make a difference in the office staff, bureaucracy, congress, the world. i would want discipline around the world for the -- the words that are spoken. and subordinate lay, the white house staff. that is more discipline over, don't leak. >> the first thing i would like is to take his phone away from him. i think this is a chaotic structure. it has been from the very beginning. into theprevious when white hou

the an tit thinks of jim baker and ronald reagan where the president was confident enough to ask a thiefstaff advice that he didn't want to hear that was tough. >> does all this matter, david, quickly or inside basis baseball. >> it matter if we don't have an effective administration reince priebus has the job security right now because nobody else wants the job, they can't get rid of him because somebody has to do it. i do think it makes the pros peck of a functional white house very remote because you can't get new people because they don't want t the current people are in some sort of woe with each other, every time we hear certainly, the attempt to get an fbi director t just sounds like disorganization. >> and more reports tonight about investigations. with the mueller probe. david brooks, mark shields, thank you both. >> woodruff: monday marks the 50th anniversary of the beginning of the june, 1967 six-day war, fought between israel and several neighboring, arab nations. the swift, israeli victory was total. but no one knew at the time, amid the war's aftermath, that many of the div

we've heard from guys like jim baker or andy card in the last few days alone as it relates to intrigue reince priebus. you and i are talking to people in the white house all the time. there is so much talk of maybe reince is going to be out two days ago. it seemed there were candidates that the president was seriously looking at. but here we are, do you really think it's going to happen? because it's becoming more and more evident that it may or may not be reince is the issue, the president doesn't seem to want to let his chief of staff do his job. >> that's the issue. and that's the -- look, i think reince priebus has been on the hot seat since the day he got the job, right. the president has equivocated on this decision from day one and he tells anybody who will listen that he wasn't sold on the idea from day one. that's no way to give any sort of power to your chief of staff. that's no way to allow him to do the job. it's certainly not fair to him at this point. but look, that ship has sailed. i think that -- i think that president in this case is coming across is extraordinarily in

reagan wanted a strong chief of staff like the great jim baker.s the degree of difficulty in being a chief of staff to any president, particularly one who has never had an adviser, that really never had a chief adviser's role? >> well, look, you know. you've been in the presence of presidents, and the reality is it's an intimidating experience. >> yeah. >> even for a chief of staff. but i felt it was my responsibility as chief of staff to be able to be very direct with the president of the united states. otherwise, you're not worth much. why the hell have a chief of staff if that individual is not telling you the truth and trying to help you in terms of implementing your responsibilities as president? so clearly whether it was president clinton, president obama, the reality is that you had to face them, look them in the eye, and tell them exactly why you thought they were making a mistake and what you thought they ought to be doing. it doesn't make them happy. sometimes they get angry about that. but in the end, they also appreciate the fact that

imagine jim baker was 15, 20 years younger.the white house and accepted the job and he would try to stand up to the president. and if he couldn't be effective, i think he'd leave in a matter of days. someone has got to enforce discipline and the president has to be smart enough to understand that unless that happens, he's not going to succeed. regardless of the russia investigation, he's going to be a failed president. >> one quick advice to the president? >> advice to the president is listen to the people around you. they're good smart people who know this town and the relationships. you're going to need that to the governor's point. the russia stuff unfolds and you want to layout your agenda. >> thank you, gentlemen. a simple question, does the president believe in climate change? is it that his aides don't know or are they trying to spin something or hide something? you can reach your own opinion. ♪ this is a story about mail and packages. and it's also a story about people. people who rely on us every day to deliver their d

with you because i don't know how you defend trump because it's like you could bring in a fantastic jim bakerchief of staff. cow bring in everything, but they're not going to be there at 6:30 in the morning. melania is not there to stop him. nobody can stop this guy from doing what donald trump loves to do, 6:30 in the morning. >> 3:30 in the morning. >> does your wife ever chastise you for things you say on television? i'm glad that melania trump is days away from moving into the white house. i think it's going to have a good -- >> it's always good to have a check. >> it's all id with this guy. whatever he feels like doing, he does. is that leadership? is leadership thinking, the minute of think of something, let's do it. >> obviously not. i think the other thing that's true is he does feel a certain amount of frustration that he can't punch out and get on offense. i think this is the -- >> they're sitting a few doors from here in the white house, west wing. they're called the press. he can walk into the associated press or reuters, straight down the middle reporting and say, here, i think t

i want to start with jim baker. i think, not to put you in the spotlight were anything. think you may be the most senior representative of a government agency here, standing in for the interests of law enforcement maybe and national security. i want to start with sort of a basic first-quarter question which is can you explain to us in plain english why section 702 authorities are important for the fbi's doing, what are the baseline that you can say why this is important that i will presume you say needs to be reauthorized. >> thank you to the hoover institution for having us here so i appreciate that. 702 as i was saying in the last panel is vital to the fbi and to the intelligence community. it provides us with a wide range of foreign intelligence information, especially including actionable intelligence stuff that we can do something about. so that's critically important for us. it is something the fbi takes in and combines with information we've lawfully acquired just as the 702 information. we pull that together in order to connect the dots and everybody's heard sinc

so i actually want to start with jim baker. i think -- not to put you in the spotlight or anything. i think you might be most senior and you get to stand in for the interestf

. >> jim, joe baker will be here in a few minutes, when he was secretary of state i think he'll bear the president to be president of the united states. this self-induced chaos that donald trump has caused himself in his administration, this niagra of russian stories we get seemingly every hour of every day is clearly interrupting this presidency from goals and objectives that he ought to be concentrating on. there was a horrific -- >> and mike -- >> -- bombing in kabul, afghanistan. we have the paris accord. how much time has he spent listening to truly, truly well informed people about both sides of this? i don't know. >> right. and the most remarkable thing about all this is most of these wounds are self-inflicted. and you can go all the way back to not the original sin but certainly something that really started the cascade of these stories and that was his lie about barack obama tapping his phones. >> correct. >> right. >> and then all of the lies that flowed out of that. think about how many of these things are self-inflicted wounds. they reach out to russian contacts. they lie

when jim baker was chief of staff, it was a tightly run ship, and you dealt with a single couple of people in key positions, and he was always very straight with us. he didn't give up anything he didn't want to. sometimes i was pushing him pretty hard at that point, but he wouldn't give it up. in this white house, it's not just about the public image but the chaos behind the scenes. i've never seen before in any way. >> a lot of the power struggle playing out publicly. secretary biker, nice to see you. tom as well. >>> now to the video from the top of the show. a shooting inside a texas car dealership involved two bounty hunters and the fugitive they were looking for. this morning all three men are dead. nbc's stephanie gosk is here with that story. good morning. >> reporter:d to arrest the suspect. when they approached him a scuffle led to a shootout right in front of employees and customers. a terrifying and deadly shootout caught on camera. new cell phone video released shows the chaotic moments when two bounty hunters approached a fugitive at a texas car dealership. the suspect opened

jim baker was chef of staff of ronald reagan and it was a tightly run ship. and you dealt with a single or a couple of people in key positions and he was always very straight with us. he didn't give up anything he didn't want to. sometimes i was pushing him pretty hard at that point but he wouldn't give it up. but in this white house, it's not just about the public image of it but the chaos behind the scenes i've never seen before in any ways. >> a lot of the power struggle playing out publicly. secretary baker, thank you for being with us. nice to see you, and tom, to you as well. appreciate it. >>> now to the shocking video we showed you at the top of the show. a shooting inside a texas car dealership that involved two bounty hunters and the fugitive they were looking for. this morning all three men are dead. nbc's stephanie gosk is here with that story. steph, good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning, matt. the bounty hunters waited hours to arrest the suspect. and when they finally approached him, a scuffle led to a shoot-out right in front of emplo

jim: one of the shots of the year right there, folks. we'll see you next week at the quicken loans national. it's been quite a day here. the travelers championship. for ian bakerch and all the crew. jim nantz saying so long from cromwell, connecticut, where jordan spieth is the champion. >>> firefighters called this the worst fire in the district in years and now we're learning one man who lived on the top floor has died. firefighters removed his body from an apartment earlier today. they think that's where the fire started. our mike valerio is on the scene with new information. mike, what do you know? >> reporter: we know the man found earlier today was the man reported missing during the initial stages of this fire early on saturday, so essentially a multitude of families were leaving this apartment building and firefighters were interviewing each person who came out one by one and said, "hey, we don't know where this man is,"

jim: one of the shots of the year right there, folks. we'll see you next week at the quicken loans national. it's been quite a day here. the travelers championship. for ian bakerch and all the crew. jim nantz saying so long from cromwell, connecticut, where jordan spieth is the champion. i'm natasha brown intense flames in wildwood crest a three alarm house fire sent nrulz of black smoke billowing in the air and live on the scene and thousands flock to philly for a triathlon. we caught one some of the athletes, chelsea. >> refreshing weather on the way. i'll let you know the next chance for rain and the >> intense flames in wildwood crest, new jersey, this was the terrifying scene as beachgoers captured on video as a three story home went up in smoke during a busy afternoon do you remember the shore. and that plume of smoke could be seen billowing for miles from the home

two, chief of staff to the fbi director jim ribike. james baker, four, associate deputy director of the fbi, the number three person in the agency, david bodich and number five, chief of the national security branch of the fbi, carl gattis. dianne feinstein lists them all by name. and tells chuck grassley, head of the judiciary committee, that the judiciary committee should hear from those witnesses basically to see if they corroborate james comey's testimony. so regardless of the russia attack and this huge extensial question of whether the russians had american confederates helping them in that attack, separate issue. regardless of that, if the president of the united states is potentially in legal jeopardy for having tried to shut down an active fbi criminal investigation, we believe the republican-controlled house, at least so far, is basically going to just let that go. not interested. at least not so far. the republican-controlled senate, however, may be showing signs of life. at least if the democrats in the republicans on the judiciary com

jim rybicki. he told the general counsel of the fbi, james baker. he told the deputy director's chief counsel.person's name. he told the number three person in the fbi, the associate deputy director david bow ditch, and he said he told the head of the national security branch, the executive assistant director of the fbi. his name is carl ghattas. the question i have now is this going to be the a battle of witnesses, a battle of claims between the president and james comey in terms of whether or not the president appears to have obstructed justice. does this mean all of those named leaders of the fbi could be called as witnesses? join us is congressmen adam schiff, top democrat on the senate intelligence committee. >> let me ask that direct committee that i just laid out here. we heard a list of positions to attack names. people that the director says he confided in after he had these conversations with the president. with those people now be called to testify, do you expect about whether or not they can back up what director comey says? >> i would like to see them come before our committee and

baker says he's sticking with dr. kevin maxwell. >>> the travel ban is back. but not without another legal challenge. good evening, i'm jim handly. >> i'm doreen gentzler. a new limited version of president trump's order restricting travel to the u.s. took effect at 8:00 tonight. minutes before that, hawaii filed a legal challenge to the new rules. those rules stop people from iran, libya, somalia, sudan, syria, and yemen from getting visas to the u.s. unless they have a bona fide relationship with a relative, school, or business here. >> it's the definition of close relative that hawaii's attorney general is challenging tonight. news4's jackie bensen has more from >> reporter: what we did not see here, jim, are the protests that we saw after the administration's first attempt at a travel ban. tension and uncertainty crackled in the air in the international arrivals area of dulles airport. people were just aware that parts of the travel ban had gone into effect. but there was nothing like the uproar there was in january, when people learned their relatives were being denied entry into the u.s. once again, lawyers from the

baker hughes which is about to close at the end of the month. make some new judgments about what the company looks like. i think that the company itself is valuable. >> jim breakup off the table? >> off the table. >> i know ge is saying it. but if you're doing a portfolio review, isn't it hard -- >> that's different. >> hard to walk away from that and do nothing >> some of the parts breakup would make it so you can't maintain the dividend. i think the dividend is sacrosaint right now i know there was talk -- i'm looking at the deutsche bank, they were very against it. deutsche bank has been adamant that maybe they're setting up for a cut of the dividend. i just think that's off the table too. i don't think this situation is nearly as dire do i think the situation is great, no. do i think they missed certain moves that united technology and particularly honeywell did, yes. can that change, yes. >> what about a ge with someone like a baker hughes business >> i think that's reasonable baker hughes, fortunately they bought oil at the top of the cycle. but they did not cut and run at the bottom of the cycle. a lot of the oil -- if you lock at halle burton, yo