answer, jim baker, yes. question, was that a concern that you had? answer, jim baker, yes. question, was that concern shared by others? answer, i think so, yes. question, who, who else? answer, the leader of the fbi. so the acting director, i can't remember if we appointed an acting deputy director immediately. the heads of the national security apparatus, the national security folks within the fbi, the people who were aware of the underlying investigation and who had been focused on it. question, was there a discussion about opening a case into the obstruction of justice matter? answer, i am looking at the fbi -- meaning i am looking at the fbi lawyer who was there in that room to see if you have any objection to me answering this question in this format. at which point the fbi lawyer says, quote, could you restate your question, please? investigator says, sure. was there a discussion about opening a case to investigate the obstruction of justice matter? ms. redacted, the fbi lawyer says okay. if we go further into that we may have to stop the witness from answering. answe

jim baker whose transcripts are fully coming out. jim baker, chief counsel was demoted and then left. currently under investigation by the justice department. lisa page, devoted then left, peter strzok demoted then fired. these were the key people. >> sean: will they be indicted in your view, the rule of law is followed, will they be indicted? >> two things will happen, as sara just mentioned, inspector general horwitz will bring its report forward as he attorney general late yesterday. that will tell us a lot, and bill barr's investigation will unfold as well. that will determine if they can indicted. a >> sean: do you see laws broken? i know that the criminal referrals are coming this week, probably tomorrow. >> i do, i particularly think so with andrew mccabe come i think he is uncharitable coming in peter strzok, we will have to see what mr. horwitz does and what the attorney general says. >> sean: sara, we will have the criminals were approached, do you see indictments in your crystal ball? >> according to sources that i've spok

the witness former fbi counsel jim baker says, yes.what the atmosphere was look at the fbi after the president fired james comey. answer, jim baker, i'm not sure i can reduce it to one or two

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jim baker was in there, we walked in and president bush said ronald reagan called me and asked me to be his vice president nominee. it was an incredible story. , theember the next morning president and his wife going over to have breakfast with the president and mrs. reagan. they didn't know him at all. they heard rumors that they really didn't want him to be on the ticket. i think he was as nervous as i had seen both of them. you all know the look. molarsgrinding the pretty good. they were both nervous. and went to the sweet ronald reagan open the door with a big smile on his face and both arms out. immediately that he had them at ease. they had a nice breakfast, the four of them, nobody else. i am going along but on the way down, they had a press conference after breakfast. that was on thursday morning. down in theing service elevator. i was fortunate enough to be on it. somehow, a conversation kayla about the address and president bush said something about i wish i had been dressed like this or that. reagan said that reminded me of this joke and he told a very funny joke. they bot

jim baker was there. we walked in and president bush said, ronald reagan just called and asked me to be vp nominee. it was an incredible story. the next morning, president and mrs. bush i remember going over to have breakfast with president and mrs. reagan. they did not know them at all. they heard rumors they did not want him to be on the ticket. you all know the look. he was grinding those molars. they were both quite nervous. they went to the -- suite and ronald reagan had this big smile on his face and i could tell immediately he had put them at ease. i had a nice breakfast. i know i am going long, but on the way down -- they had a press conference after breakfast on thursday morning. they were going down in the service elevator. i remember somehow a conversation came up about their dress and president reagan set i wish i had been dressed like this or that. he said that remise me of this joke and he told a very funny joke. they both love jokes. it broke up president bush and to this day i think presid

they are intog highlight, but imagine getting jim baker to come to the bush center. it's such a thrill to have my dad's best friend here. will be interviewed by a noted historian and local lawyer, but baker is such a good friend. smuggled thewho grey goose vodka into the hospital room when dad was in the icu. was a tennis partner, and there is no doubt as to who carried who. and meed my dad jefe jefe junior. that's the derivation of my .randpa name, jefe thankfully, my grandchildren dropped the junior. at any rate, i thank you for supporting us. i thank you for coming to hear stories about a great man. i would like to introduce our panel of tom boston and one of the great public servants ever, james a. baker. [applause] >> secretary baker, as a best friend, we get a chance to go down memory road. let's start at the beginning. in the 1960's, u.n. george h.w. -- you and george h w bush first bonded as a winning team on the houston tennis circuit as doubles partners. mr. baker: first we bonded as a losing team. [laughter] then we won a couple. talmage: then you won the

jim baker was there. we walked in and president bush said, ronald reagan just called and asked me to be the vp nominee. it was an incredible story. i remember the next morning, havingnt and mrs. bush breakfast with president and missus reagan, and they really did not know him. they had heard rumors that they did not want him to be on the ticket. i think it was his nervousness. i had seen both of them. you all know the look. he was grinding those molars. [laughter] they were both quite nervous, but they walked up and went to suite -- suite and ronald reagan open the door and had his arms out, and i could tell he put them at ease. they had a nice breakfast just the four of them. on the way down -- they had a press conference after the --akfast on thursday morning and they were going down in the service elevator, and i was fortunate enough to be on it. somehow a conversation came up about their dress and president bush said, i wish i would have been dressed like this or that. reagan said, that reminds me of

i want to see james comey and andy mccabe and peter strzok and lisa page and jim baker and bruce ohr all go to jail and make sure this never happens again. lou: and i want to see the republican party stand up and raise money for every single person you're referring to, not by name, but every single person and we know most of those names, i believe, who deserve support, and to be given restitution as best it can be provided. >> you look what they did to k. t. mcfar land, to general flynn. these folks were put through the ringer, lou and right around the time of that tweet if i recall correctly, was when james comey leaked that information right to create that special counsel. you look at the nature of what the former fbi director did. that is, it has never been done before in american history and people need to pay for it and make sure it never happens again lou: well there's another current in all of this that came out today as we listen to alexandria ocasio-cortez saying, well tweeting in point of fact that she wanted to see kirstjen nielsen devastated, destroyed. we're hearing the

for example, there are proposals ,y well-known republicans george scholz, jim baker, hank paulson, inhey would put a price on carbon emissions, but recycle the money entirely back to the public through a flat dividend paid to everyone. progressiveis very economically for our citizens. if you do that, the net impact on gdp will be very low. however, it will shift certain issues geographically. i think what they say is it is an interesting starting point, but you still need to look at the distribution questions to make sure they are fair to what our society and in different parts of the country -- fair toward our society and in different parts of the country. this is one reason why i hope our california study is interesting and will provide a map going forward. if we were to do the same study for states in the midwest for the northeast where the southeast, they would all have a different flavor because it is not a cookie-cutter, it is not one-size-fits-all. that is where federal coordination will be very helpful to move us forward as a country to meet those goals. do not underestimate w

former secretaries of state george schulze and jim baker, hank paulson and others all republicans who served in the george w. bush or george h.w. bush or ronald reagan administrations. they have proposed putting a carbon price on emissions. so that is the mechanism for dealing with low carbon. but they also make a proposal as to how that can be socially progressive. that is, make sure that the lower income people are being covered, namely they say is, okay, you put a price on, that means some funds are collected, but they say return those to the people in whole. don't keep anything for other purposes that congress might like. return them to the people, equal dividend to everybody. when you look at what that would imply for the population, the computer modeling, if you like, indicates that the lower 70% of the income distribution would come out ahead in that way. so that's the way that -- that's an example of how one could accomplish both aims. that's from a republican group, a very, very senior statesman, to address low carbon and social equity at the same time. and the other issue, a

jim baker, chief counsel was demoted and left, currentlynd under investigation by the justice department. lisa page, dedemotedemoted and . >> if the rule of law is followed, will they be indict ?d two things are tbog happen. mentioned,t inspector general horowitz is being to bring his report forward, as the attorney general mentioned yesterday, late may or june. and bill barr's investigation will unfold as well. i think that will determine when weather they get indicted. >> i. >> i know the criminal referrals are coming from desk this week. probably tomorrow. >> i think so. i think andy mccabe is inbe trouble and peter struck. we'll have stee what l horowitz says, and attorney general says. >> do you see indictments in your personal ball. >> according to source that is i've spoken with, yes, there will be indictments and people will be held responsible for the actions that they committedor against the country. be james comey? >> i don't know. i certainly hope so. we'll have to see. >> yeah jim? >> look. i'm confident of mr. horowitz. and i think mr. barr is the kind of attorney general p

remember top fbi lawyer jim baker thought you should be indicted. inconvo trertable evidence of obstruction. why did you destroy 33,000 emails and bleach bit the hard drive and destroy the smarted phones with hammers and remove the sim cards? that means intent. the intent was to get rid of the evidence. because of the underlying crime the espionage act 18 usc 793. of course the media ignores all of, this the corruption, the -- don't forget about all the other clinton russia. remember bill how are you doing on moscow speeches during the uranium one deal twice his fee? hillary signed off on that deal in the kick backs from the people involved in that deal, $145 million even while it was known putin had thugs in america. he had a spy in his ring in america. remember, we interviewed william campbell, bribery, extortion, money laundry, kick backs, trying to get a foot hold in our uranium market. william campbell was on this show, he exposed it that's real collusion. and that's real obstruction of justice which we have more of in a minute. as we turn to o

you know the characters, jim baker, andrew mccabe, bruce ohr who committed the crimes first against the trump campaign of which i was spied on and my colleagues were then the trump family and ultimately, the president himself very likely. we need to bring those people to justice and find out how it began and hold them accountable. >> none of the 183 pages in the obstruction of justice section, of the mueller report and you h it is a threat, concealing of evidence or can destruction of evidence. i explained it in my book. yet, your people who are still claiming obstruction of justice and they are accusing william barr, of twisting and contorting -- to clear donald trump. what do you say those people? mac. >> you have to remember about the russia hoax, moreover, bill barr and bob mueller and deputy attorney general, rod rosenstein, had the opportunity to sit down together. to review the document before the summary was ever presented to the american people and they all came with the same conclusion. it was no obstruction and there was no collusion whatsoever. it was one year, 10 months and

your most recent has been jim baker, the lawyer, at the fbi.t all of these transcripts you released so far what strikes you mostly, congressman? what is the takeaway that we need to focus on from all of these transcripts you've released? >> the thing that strikes me the most is it goes back to a certain group. the media especially the as the fbi and all against going forward but really what we find is peter strzok, mccabe, lisa page, we see baker, we see comey of course and all this is coming back to everything that we go back to following all the way from the clinton investigation to the beginning of the russia investigation through the mueller investigation we go back to this really corruption that is involved in everything and i think it's really interesting when you have baker actually saying in the transcripts we released this past week were he thought originally clinton would have been indicted and charged in this and is actually talked out of it by some of the others comey and others but then we also found out from lisa page's transcript

remember with the client an email, jim baker disagreed with james comey and believed up to the ends theyecutable. so i'm not surprised by that. the only thing that matters is whether or not you had since filmic sufficient probable cause to criminally charge someone. whether you had some bad acts, some missed behavior, the good thing about the criminal justice system we have standards beyond a reasonable doubt to get conviction but probable cause to charge someone. if you don't have probable cause, help close you came to it is irrelevant. >> martha: so the full transparency, in favor of full transparency really mean that, and they will want to produce a whole lot of other documents that explain another part of the story. >> trey: well, those arguing in favor of full transparency will not be satisfied with the mueller report. they will want to see the transcripts from the grand jury interviews. they will want to see the underlying data. this same game is being played now which is we do not believe his summary and we do not believe mueller's report. we want to read the witness interviews fo

politically biassed or other people that worked with james comey like andrew mccabe or jim baker. all people who have left or come under some sort of disgrace as they left. comey, of course, just getting under fire for his release of the clinton investigation and then also coming under fire from this president. so there's a bit of a turf battle of a push and pull of people who are currently in place now and those who left. what comey wants to defend is he opened this surveillance and there was authorized fisa warrants. he wants to say they were towards. knees the evidence he had at the time and completely authorized in opening that. in fact comey pushed back against barr. i saw him speak in charlotte a few days after barr made his decision on obstruction and he said he was confused why barr would do that. >> interesting points. thank you all so much. glen will stick around here with me. >>> still ahead he's the first openly gay man to eye the oval office and taking a fight over faith to the vice president's own turf. igniting a debate among evangelicals. >>> first after seven year

the top people at the fbi, james comey, andy mcgab, jim baker, lisa page, they bit on the dossier which was false, never true and they used that dossier to go to a secret court to spy on the trump campaign. didn't tell the court that the trump campaign paid for it. >> you can't read this report and believe this they just went off the dossier. you can argue it, but you can't. mr. meadows, just to be clear, i'm not trying to be disrespectful, i'm trying to be clear. >> and i'm not, either. >> i want every opportunity for you to come on, jim can tell you i invite you guys on all the time. i get you have a problem with cnn. i suggest you judge me for what i say and how we go back and forth. >> i will. i will. we will have a discourse. thank you. >> -- analysis of the crime on interference as far as conspiracy goes, i think mr. mueller was pretty clear. i don't like that mr. barr only used half the sentence saying he didn't find coordination but he didn't add the part of the sentence saying that the campaign did expect to benefit from russia's efforts. i think that matters on obstruction ver

answer, from jim baker, let me answer that generally. i guess i would say, i think we would -- i think we were concerned about anyone who might enter government and be in a position to have access to classified or sensitive information who might provide that to a foreign power. question, how serious would that concern be? james baker, extremely serious. you know, with remarkable consistency, every time we get one of these transcripts from a senior fbi official, senior justice department official, senior national security official who is at all involved in this investigation, they describe their work in 2016 in these very simple terms. they saw signs of the russian government interfering to try to influence our election, and they saw all these unexplained contacts between russians and the trump campaign, and they were concerned about the implications of that. they were concerned that the country and therefore the trump campaign itself, they were concerned that the campaign should be protected from whatever was going on. i mean, weirdly, i

clinton deleted emails and we have the testimony of the james baker the exact date they bleached it. he was talked out of it by his boss jim comey and others. this testimony released on baker is revealing what is rampant anti-trump bias inside the highest levels of the fbi. not rank-and-file. we have been right all along. the chosen candidate hillary clinton got a free pass. a dual system of justice. no equal justice under the law. trump was persecuted. they wanted him to lose and had an insurance policy when he won. baker was alarmed and freaked out when he saw the anti-trump text between fbi investigator strzok and lisa page. strzok interviewed hillary clinton. and james baker revealed that hillary clinton's phoney russian dossier played into the investigation of trump. clinton paid for. it it was not verified and the author. he doesn't stand by it. in other words, there would have been no probable cause to investigate the campaign without clinton's dirty russian dossier. baker read the dossier. he admits prior to the election. that came out today. a personal relationship with the law firm that the clinton campaign funne

maria: i've got the jim baker testimony, based on this, the lisa page testimony, we keep hearing thereicate to launch an investigation into the trump campaign back in 2016, other than the dossier which was never verified. how do you come up with an investigation of a presidential candidate when you don't have a predicate, a reason to actually launch a federal investigation? >> i'm a lawyer and you have to have probable cause to issue a warrant. the fisa warrant was issued. what was that probable cause to issue the warrant other than the russian dossier which we all know was a campaign dossier. maria: we all know what has taken place here and there was no predicate for the investigation there and yet the democrats want the mueller report to go wide, as if there's some smoking gun that the a.g. is hiding. here's what a.g. barr said about that yesterday. >> i do think it's important that the public has an opportunity to learn the results of the special counsel's work. i think that from my standpoint, by -- within a week, i will be in a position to release the report to the public and then

. >> jim baker the general counsel for the fbi jim comey's tied at the hip already admitted in a swornrian, some of the media figures here are co-conspirators in this in sworn depositions under oath. i'm not making this up. can you read it yourself. the fbi folks have already admitted to it. brian: as a journalist you follow up on a lead somebody says hey i have got to talk to you about a case, you get your pen out. >> the problem corn is going to have, brian, is corn fed the information to the fbi and wrote this story anyway. he claims oh i gave it to the fbi for them to clarify very it. yeah but they never verified it. why did you write this story you can't have it both ways. steve: i just can't make it up. jedediah: thanks, dan. brian: i'm glad you lost your election, dan because you never would have been here. steve: 22 minutes before the top of the hour, jillian joins us with news from isis. jillian: that's right. good morning. isis is plotting to recreate the 2015 terror attacks in paris that killed 130 people. that's according to documents uncovered by the sunday times newspaper

former secretaries of state george schultz and jim baker and others, all republicans who orved in theeorge w. bush george h w bush or ronald reagan administrations, they have proposed putting a carbon price on emissions. that is the mechanism for dealing with low carbon. proposal also make a as to how that can be socially thatessive to make sure the lower income people are being covered. you put a price on it, that means some funds are collected, but they say return those to the whole,and whole -- in don't keep those for other purposes, return those to the people in an equal dividend for everybody. indicateser modeling that the lower 70% of the income distribution would come out ahead in that way. how onean example of could accomplish both aims. that's from a republican group of senior statesmen to address low carbon and social equity at the same time. the other issue in terms of infrastructure, the concern you raised about not having charging , it's renewable costs coming down, battery costs coming down, but you need the third pillar, build the infrastructure so that everyone is conf

hard drive, and we have the testimony of james baker today, the exact date that they used bleach pit. but of course, he was talked out of it by his boss, jim comey and a few others. that is not all. at this testimony released on baker today is revealing what is rampant is rampant anti-trumpet bias inside the highest levels of the fbi. not rank-and-file. it's what we have been saying all along, we've been right all along, the chosen candidate,il hillary clinton, got a free pass. we have a dual system of justice. and no equal justice under the law, no equal application of our laws. trump, he was politically persecuted. they wanted him to lose, and they had an policy when he won. when baker testified that he was "alarmed" -- and listen to this "freaked out" when he saw the anti-trump text between fbi investigator strzok and lisa page. remember, strzok was writing it before they even did the investigation. he also revealed, meaning james baker, that hillary clinton's bought and paid for, phony, russian dossier, it played a serious role in the fbi's investigation into trump. what we now know that clinton paid for it. they knew it then, they kne

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baker. >> i think a lot of people are in jeopardy. almost 100 people have been interviewed by the ig investigation. that is an exhaustive investigation. we'll see the fbi. >> sean:te t i told jimey he has the right to remain silent and he should have used it a j long time ago. too bad he didn't listen. thank you all. when we come back, a big update, college mission scandal, trace gallagher has the details. plus you will never believe what congresswoman ocasio-cortez said this time! anthony scaramucci, rachel campos duffy, that and more as we continue. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ when it comes to reducing the evsugar in your family's diet,m. coke, dr pepper and pepsi hear you. we're working together to do just that. bringing you more great tasting beverages with less sugar or no sugar at all. smaller portion sizes, clear calorie labels and reminders to think balance. because we know mom wants what's best. more beverage choices, smaller portions, less sugar. balanceus.org ♪ it is such a good time to dance ♪ ♪ it is such a good time to [ laughing ] ♪ scoobidoo doobidoo ♪ scoobidoo doobidoo [ goose honking ] ♪ [ laughing ] a bad day on the road still beats a good one off it. ♪ progressive