many people were like jim baker. they didn't necessarily agree with donald trump on many issues. they saw his character, certainly in baker's case, quite clearly. yet the demand of partisanship in our dysfunctional time were such that they were willing to override even what they claimed to be were very principled objections to donald trump. if you want to understand how it is even possible trump having done the things he is done could still be report -- supported by so many millions of americans today, i think this baker story is important and eliminating, an example of why that republican tribal affiliation seems to have overwhelmed all other columns and objections when it comes to jim baker. host: let's go back to calls. paul is in new york. you are on with peter baker and susan glasser. caller: congratulations on your esteemed careers. really quickly, i grew up in new york city. trump was a very visible part of the media landscape since i was a kid. what i would say and i think was missed a lot is there is a big class divide that for some reason, trump was very effective at get

and many, many people were like jim baker they did not necessarily agree with donald trump on many issues. they saw his character certainly baker's case quite clearly. and yet the demands of partisanship in her dysfunctional time were such they were willing to override even what they claim to be very principled objection to donald trump. i think if you want to understand how it is even possible that trump, having done the things he's done be still be supported by so many millions of americans today. i think this baker's story is important in eliminating example of why that republicans tribal affiliation seems to have overwhelmed all other quorums and objections when it comes to jim baker. >> us go back to new york, thank you for holding on. you're on with peter baker and susan glasser. >> hi guys how are you. congratulations on your careers. really quickly a group in new york city. trump was a very civil part of the media landscape since i was a kid. but i would say what dismissed a lot is it's a big class divide. for some reason trump was very effective at getting support for. excuse me

that's when jim baker came into the campaign as the campaign leader and realized they were going to have to hit the caucus and go. it wasn't baker's idea the willie horton ads in fact the most famous was run by an outside group ostensibly not connected at all to the official campaign but baker certainly didn't act quickly or decisively to stop the line of attack and he didn't tell us it was interesting in the book we asked about himhe and he allowed if he was going to regret anything it might be that but jim baker is basically not a man that does regret and i think the true line there is winning. like mitch mcconnell for example who always has had a pronounced and obvious distaste for donald trump and nonetheless accommodated himself essentially as one of the reasons you could say trump became president and why he was able to get many things like thele transformation supreme court done while he was president. that's where you see many republicanst't' right now seekio break after the results of the 2022 midterm elections and this idea he might be the loser the party in addition to having

representations of the same phenomenon but it's so different. >> and i promise we will get into the jim baker book because it is worth reading but i want to read one paragraph from it. baker long aspired to the state department and ambition born a f success so rapid that it was easy to forget how quickly it had all happened. he was 58-years-old and only ten years earlier he had been between jobs. between jobs houston lawyer who just lost the campaign for the only political office hee ever tried to win. it was a mark of his convincing ryan is that baker's appointment as secretary of state now was into the latest bit controversial. we've got to get back to calls. james in philadelphia you are on with peter baker and susan glasser. how many people died on january 6th by the hands of the government when ashley babbitt is the only person who died there were police officers who died and my last question is do you have reporters that go out into the middle of the country o these small towns in america? america is dying right now. the middle class is dying and you claim to be the lead and that's a hu

use all putin refused to go to his funeral. >> whatae did jim baker think of mikhail gorbachev? >> guest: his lifelong friends and george hw bush who was the president when he was secretary of state, the great accomplishment in, many respecs was midway the largely peaceful cold war and in many respects they forged a partnership with both mikael gorbachev and his foreign minister. for them it was a partnership that meant the difference between stability and a world not in crisis opposite. when you see how hostile and adversarial relationship has become with russia and vladimir putin over time, you realize how differently it could have turned out and so i think that baker met many times with gorbachev. there was a defining moment for both of them. >> host: why did you choose to write the 600 pages? >> guest: the biography was fascinating. it seemed like at some point or another even if they are not that controversial and here in some ways you have the most consequential secretary of state of the time. at the end of the cold war to steer to a peaceful conclusion and how germany hel

i promise you, we'll get into the jim baker book. baker had long aspired to the state department ambition born of success so rapid that it was ease toy forget how quickly had happened. he was 58 years old and only 10 years earlier he had been between jobs, between jobs houston lawyer who just lost a campaign for the only political office he had ever tried to win. it was a mark of his convincing rise that baker's appointment as secretary of state now was not the least bit controversial. we've got to get back to calls. so james in philadelphia, thanks for holding, you're on with peter baker and susan glasser. >> how are you doing, everybody? my question is for peter baker in regards to bias at the new york times ak-- like admitting the hunter biden story, not really reporting on that before the election and how many people actually died on january 6th by the hands of the government on that -- ashley was the only person who died the police officers who died didn't die on january 6th. and my last question is, do you have reporters that go

you can see jim baker's taking a lot of inspiration about what he wants. a pleasure community for christians to look like. right. and jim baker's religious theme park has a jerusalem ampitheater a christian stores, christian cafeterias and a massive, massive water park. now you got to give you an example, and this is a lot of text. i apologize, guys. i promise i won't talk about every single one of these things, but i want to read you what a social theorist, jeremy rifkin kind of imagines how many christians understand the ideal life in the day of a 1970s christian family in the morning, husband and wife wake up to an evangelical service on their local christian owned and operated radio station. let's keep track of how many christian places these this family goes to, right? huand leaves for while he will start off his day at a businessmen's prayer breakfast.thic wife bustled the children off to a christian day school. at midmorning, she relaxes in front of a tv set and turns on her favorite christian soap opera. later in the afternoon, while the christian

jim baker's hero is well disney. he outwardly calls, i want to create the christian version of disneyland. heritage usa in south carolina becomes the third most successful amusement park -- in the most attended immune report in the 1970s and 1980s. only behind disney world in florida, and of course, disneyland, here in orange county. and without looking at these maps here. here is a picture of heritage usa. here is a map of disneyland the exact same year. you can see jim baker is taking a lot of inspiration about what he wants at the pleasure community for christians who look like, right? jim speakers religious theme park has jerusalem amphitheater. christian stores. christian cafeterias. a massive, massive, water park! to give you an example, this is a lot of text, i apologize. and promise i won't talk about everything one of these things. i want to read you what you social serious, jeremy rifkin, imagines how many christians imagine the idea life in the day of a christian fa wake up to an evangelicalr wi se their l

jim baker was at the fbi and hen, of course, at twitter. there. we want to get some of these communications, for example, the communication between elvis chan, fbi agent who was meeting weekly with the big tech platforms in silicon valley, we want to get those communications. we think that'll be real important for this investigation. maria: and i'm wondering if he's reporting back to the chinese communist party. does he have other family that the ccp is bullying unless he gives them information. jim jordan, thanks very much. we'll be watching your leadership. we'll be right back. >> you bet. ♪ ♪ hey, man. you could save hundreds for safe driving with liberty mutual. they customize your car insurance... so you only pay for what you need! whoo! we gotta go again. only pay for what you need. ♪liberty liberty liberty♪ ♪liberty♪ age-related macular degeneration may lead to severe vision loss. and if you're taking a multivitamin alone, you may be missing a critical piece. preservision. preservision areds 2 contains the only clinically proven nutr

jim baker was at the fbi and hen, of course, at twitter.ing what's going on there. we want to get some of these communications, for example, the communication between elvis chan, fbi agent who was meeting weekly with the big tech platforms in silicon valley, we want to get those communications. we think that'll be real important for this investigation. maria: and i'm wondering if he's reporting back to the chinese communist party. does he have other family that the ccp is bullying unless he gives them information. jim jordan, thanks very much. we'll be watching your leadership. we'll be right back. >> you bet. ♪ ♪ meet leon the third... leon the second... and leon... the first of them all. three generations, who all bank differently with chase. leon's saving up for his first set of wheels... nice try. really? this leon's paying for his paint job on the spot... and this leon, as a chase private client, he's in the south of france, taking out cash with no atm fees. that's because this family of leons has chase. actually, it's león. ooh la la!

jim baker, who came over from the f b i who were basically more than happy to turn twitter into an instrument of censorship on behalf of not just the white house as on principle, but a very specific political party that controlled the white house. i mean, you had this revolving door obviously, between twitter and the, the f b i and it in the dungeons community, but also facebook's chief p r guy for the longest time used to do p r for democrat . there's definitely politics and played. there's definitely personal political convictions, but at the end of the day it's a question of who and when decided that was perfectly ok to let the democrats and the may end. the corporate media basically lie about things and then carry out censorship on their behalf. meanwhile, the latest study published by researchers at new york university has revealed that the russian government so called disinformation campaign on twitter, had no real impact on voting patterns. during the 2016 us presidential election, serbian american journalist and writer no budget knowledge thinks that no one will be able to be held acc

and then jim baker and we ended up finding some things that gave indications of government interference. and that in that particular episode, but we found much more broad evidence in other areas i'm, i'm going to ask you if in a few minutes about some of these governmental agencies, i think this is so important, but i want to start with the 100 biden laptop story, the new york post had broken the story that 100 biden had left his laptop at a repair shop in new jersey and then just apparently abandoned it. the owner of the repair shop saw some of the things that were on the hard drive. and he contacted the f b i and apparently the f. b. i wasn't interested. he then contacted rudy giuliani, the former new york mare and friend, an attorney to president trump, but twitter and facebook for that matter, killed the story. how and why was that decision made it twitter? why did they decide that this should not be a story that, that people could share? so internally, the, the excuse for stopping that story was that it violated the quote hacked materials policy, which is a policy that they do have

so far is that you had people like ross and you had other executives eventually, jim baker, who came over from the f b i who were basically more than happy to turn twitter into an instrument of censorship. on behalf of not just the white house on principle, but a very specific political party that controlled the white house. and because they agreed with their politics because the agreed with with their position speak, i don't know. i mean, you, you had this revolving door obviously, between twitter and the, the f b i and it in detail just community. but also, you know, like facebook's chief p r guy for the longest time used to do p, r for democrats. there's, there's definitely politics and played. there's definitely personal political conviction. but at the end of the day it's a question of who and when decided that was perfectly ok to let the democrats and the may end. the corporate media basically lie about things and then carry out censorship on their behalf. because i would suggest we saw a similar with coded as well. i'm just interested in your view whether there was so much pre

of this is reagan, family but he was known for surrounding himself with really talented w people, jim baker meese, the names go on. i get the sense you have that same talent. guys like mike short, kellyanne conway, you have really been able to build a world-class team. >> thank you. mark is with us tonight, actually the founding executive directors of the reagan branch, they come from good background but one of the things you learn early on, i know resident reagan learned and lived it, i've known a number of people senior in the administration including a dear friend, attorney general ed meese, friendship i cherish to this day. learned early on you are only as good as your people and i learned that on that tragic day in january in 2021 as well, folks marc short and greg jacob as i recount in the book had been at my side giving me steady counsel and support as we saw, to stand firm and do our duty and i'll always believe we did our duty that day. ensuring peaceful transfer of how under the constitution of the united states and laws of this country. [applause] when was all over at 4:00 a.m.,

reagan did that well with jim baker. biden did it with ron klain. so he'd also decided to have a chief of staff. why? because he wanted to do exactly the opposite of nixon remember, nixon had haldeman. haldeman was in jail and carter said, i don't want to do what that guy did. so he said, i don't i'm going to have a chief of staff. and it imperiled the presidency he did appoint a chief of staff in year three and that helped stabilize the house. and actually they got a lot done the last couple of years, even though they the election. yeah this idea of i feel like there's a whole sort of cottage industry now around presidential transitions but it's still sort of like a fairly modern invention. when did it really start? was it really sort of josh bolten, the bush administration, that really sort of set up the standard or when did this idea that this is something that needed to happen in organized fashion, really come to the i would say, post 911. it really accelerated and the partnership for public service gets a lot of credit because they created a ce

>> talked about jim baker and those that were left or had to leave under investigation and they handlehat big investigation of the clinton e-mail issue and the trump russia and second, john durand is beginning to do just that and hold people accountable. this latest the indictments were for lying to the fbi. is not what was said to the investigative team but that is the reason for the fbi to open up the investigation so if you read the indictment so the old clichÉ is true. so it was the clinton campaign it was completely false narrative and a handful that three or four years ago that says it doesn't make sense and just a handful of us in congress may be tender sure people in the press and it turns out we were right and then it was worse than we thought. you are right there are key investigations. >> there were thousands of tax returns made public so how did that happen? that's when the tax returns went public and they need to be investigated. i am convinced team misled the american people of the origins and he knew from the get-go. >> he was my mentor and he always had the country's be

jim baker, ed meese, the names go on. i get the sense you have that esame talent.ick, mark short, kellyanne conroy, you have really been able to build a world-class team. >> mark short it is white christian, marcus with us tonight. actually the founding executive directors of the reagane ranch. so they come from good backgrounds. but you know, it is one of the things you learned early on and i president reagan learned and lived a pretty had the privilege to know a number of people were senior in the administration including a dear friend attorney general ed meese. whose friendship i cherish to this day. you learn early onle you are ony as good as your people. i learned that on that tragic day in january, in 2021 as well. both mark short and general counsel greg jacobs i recount the book had been there at my side. giving me static counsel in support to stand firm. i always believe we did our duty that day. entering the peaceful transfer of power. under the constitution and the laws of this country. [applause] when it was a all over at 4:00 a.m. in the morning, i ste

i want jim baker in front of congress. he was at the f.b.i.the russia collusion non-sense and then deputy general counsel at twitter. if he has nothing to hide don't fear congressional investigations. >> harris: the accusation has been that word, collusion. so you would think that democrats definitely want to get to the bottom of that. >> we're finally finding it. >> harris: good to see you. happy new year. thank you for being in "focus." >> thank you, god bless, thank you. >> harris: critics calling out president biden for playing politics. >> joe is only doing this for political reasons and not patriotic once. joe and his relationship with america. he only concerns when the gravy train runs out. >> harris: a number of issues that president has decided to turn around and see. that's positive. we want things to happen. number one is border. critics are saying it is a sign he is doing it politically positioning himself for another presidential campaign. taking some of the verbal weapons out of people's hands saying i've been to the border. we k

importance of missus reagan, family but he was known for surrounding himself with really talented people, jim baker, the names go on. i get the sense you have that same talent. guys like kellyanne conway, you've been able to build a world-class. >> thank you. mark is with us tonight. the way the i founding executive directors of the reagan ranch, they come from good background read one of the things you learn early on, i know president reagan earned and lived it, i know a number ofrn people in the administration including a dear friend, ed meese, whose friendship i cherish to this day, you learn early on your only as good asre your people. i learned that on that tragic day inda january in 2021 as wel. my general counsel as i recounted in the book had been there at my side giving steady counsel and support asad we saw, stand firm and to do our duty. i'll alwaysi believe we did our duty that day ensuring peaceful transfer of power under the constitution of the united states and laws of thista count. [applause] when it was all over at 4:00 a.m., i stepped down off the rostrum and had a number of membe

jim baker, mike deaver, ed meese, you know m the names, go on. i get the sense that you have that same talent, guys like nick ayers, marc short, kellyanne conway. you have really been able to build a world-class team. >> well, thank you. marc short and his wife kristin, mark is with us tonight. actually the founding executive director of the. reagan ranch. so they come from good background. but you know it's one of the things you learn early on, and i know president reagan learned it and lived it. i've had the privilege to know a number of people who are senior in the administration including dear friend attorney generalis d meese whose friendship i cherish to this day. you will learn early on yos good as your people, and i learned that on that tragic day in january in 2021 as well. both marc short and my general counsel greg jacob as i recount and the book had been there at my side giving me steady counsel and support as we sought to stand firm and to do our duty. and i will always believe that we did our duty that day, ensuring the peaceful tra

three things, failure leadership, the statement william barr made, talk about combing the cave, jim baker, the top 5 people, they were fired or left or had to leave somewhere under investigation and they held a big investigation of the clinton e-mail issue and the trump russia, second point is i think john durham is beginning to do just that, hold people accountable, the latest indictment, the indictments, for lying to the fbi, these aren't lies these individuals said to mister durham and his investigative team, these are the original lies, these were the lies said in 2016-17 that became of the reason for the fbi opening up the trump russia investigation so durham has gone right to the source and if you read the indictment from a couple weeks ago 37 pages he walks us through that and this goes to the clinton campaign so the old clichÉ is true here, they always accuse us of what they are doing and it was the clinton campaign working with russia to create this completely false completely false narrative and there was a handful of us 3 or 4 years ago who said this doesn't make sense, handful

. >> an enormous respect for jim baker. >> yes. we all had that.this has been terrific, and there is such a thing as a free book. maybe not a free lunch, but they are out there thanks to dirksen center. it's really 40 50 -- how many years ago? army that old, really jane? and some of the names may not instantly ring a bell, but it's just fascinating about a really smart and thoughtful man, and the legislative process. so i love reading it, i think bill did a terrific job. 400,000 words, cut it down to 150. >> there's a lot on the cutting room floor. >> so anyway, stay around. we will swap stories, have a drink, and get a book. and thank you all so much for coming. [applause] >> if you are enjoying american history tv, and sign up for our newsletter using the qr code on the screen to receive the weekly schedule of upcoming programs, like lectures in history, the presidency, and more. sign up for the american history tv newsletter today, and be sure to watch american history tv every saturday, or anytime online at c-span.org slash history. >> the stat

>> three things, the upper echelon it fbi was a statement bill barth made its right and jim baker tope people they were all fired, left or had to leave some were under investigation. on the e-mail issue in the trump/russia. the second point is i think jon durham is beginning to do just d that. this latest indictment for lying to the fbi, these are not lies these are individuals said to mr. durham and his investigative team. these are the original lies. these are set in 2016 in 2017 leaders and fbi woke up the trump investigation per durham is going right to thetr source. ifif you read the indictment for couple weeks ago 30 some pages, this goes right to the clinton campaign. the old clichÉ is true here, they accused a us of what they e doing. was the clinton campaign that was working with russia to create this completely false, completely false narrative. there is a handful of us, three or four years ago he said this doesn't makee sense. literally it just a handful of us in congress. it may be people ineo the press who just stayed on this issue and it turned out frankly we were right

strzok, page and jim baker, they all either were fired or left or had to leave, some were under investigation. and as i said, they had the big investigations of the clinton e-mail issue and, of course, the trump-russia. second point is i think john durham is beginning to do the djust that, hold people accountable. this latest indictment of danchenko, i would point out for lying to the fbi, these aren't lies these individuals said to many durhaming and his -- mr. durham and his investigative team, these are the lies that were said in 2016 and 2017 that became the reason for the fbi opening up the whole trump-russia investigation. so durham is going right to the source. and if youou read the danchenko indictment from a couple weeks ago, 30 some pages, he walks us through that this goes right to the clinton campaign. thee old cliche is true here. they always accuse us of what they're doing, and it was the clinton campaign who was working with russians to create this completelyle false, completely false narrative. and there was a handful of us three, four years ago who said this doesn't make sens