bush and jim baker did when the when the berlin wall fell. second is courage, not the courage of the battlefield. but the courage to take risks for, peace and negotiations. we saw that with sadat going to jerusalem with the crown prince of, the uae and the abraham accords. we saw that in northern where the catholic and protestant communities, nationalists and unionists, finally decided that enough violence was enough broke from their political bases to make peace. third is preparation. there is substitute for being for knowing more about the issues than anybody else at the negotiating. so you can come up with creative compromises. next is the ability and this may seem like an unusual one to listen, not just to speak, but to hear other side, to put yourself and shoes. it is what larry summers called on sympathetic empathy so that you appreciate what they have to get out of an agreement in order for you to succeed as well. next is to build trust, personal relationships, the perfect example was jim baker spending three days with edward chevron,

bush and jim baker did when the when the berlin wall fell. second is courage, not the courage of the battlefield. but the courage to take risks for, peace and negotiations. we saw that with sadat going to jerusalem with the crown prince of, the uae and the abraham accords. we saw that in northern where the catholic and protestant communities, nationalists and unionists, finally decided that enough violence was enough broke from their political bases to make peace. third is preparation. there is substitute for being for knowing more about the issues than anybody else at the negotiating. so you can come up with creative compromises. next is the ability and this may seem like an unusual one to listen, not just to speak, but to hear other side, to put yourself and shoes. it is what larry summers called on sympathetic empathy so that you appreciate what they have to get out of an agreement in order for you to succeed as well. next is to build trust, personal relationships, the perfect example was jim baker spending three days with edward chevron,

so reagan won overwhelmingly overwhelming election and why did he pick jim baker who had not been part of his club close supporters in? california was not really that well known to reagan. did he pick reagan? why did he pick jim to be his chief of staff? well, in some ways picking jim baker, i would argue, was the most important decision his entire presidency. and it was a sign again, why picking baker's best friend, george bush as vice again, it was a sign of how reagan was, because as you said, baker had no relationship. reagan and far from having a relationship with them, he had worked against reagan twice in 76 and 80 to try to deny him the nomination. and normally presidents do not. their opponents campaign manager as white house chief of staff. and so the assumption was he was going to appoint ed, who was his chief of staff in sacramento. but mike deaver and stu spencer, to reagan aides realize that meese was not organized enough, didn't understand enough, was not effective enough to be effective. white house chief of staff and they went to nancy reagan and. they went to ronald r

bush and jim baker did when the when the berlin wall fell. second is courage, not the courage of the battlefield. but the courage to take risks for, peace and negotiations. we saw that with sadat going to jerusalem with the crown prince of, the uae and the abraham accords. we saw that in northern where the catholic and protestant communities, nationalists and unionists, finally decided that enough violence was enough broke from their political bases to make peace. third is preparation. there is substitute for being for knowing more about the issues than anybody else at the negotiating. so you can come up with creative compromises. next is the ability and

queenie break and jim baker had significant jail time that he got in there was work that came from thatifime as well he is very significant jail time, some people experience fines but it depends on the location and what judge that they get. >> thank you. [applause] >> if you are enjoying american history tv sign up for our newsletter using the qr code on the screen to receive weekly highlights of upcoming programs like lectures in history, american artifacts, the presidency and more, sign up for the ah tv newsletter today and be sure to watch american history tv every weekend or anytime online at c-span.org/history. >> weekends on c-span2 are an intellectual feast. every saturday american history tv documents american story and on sunday book tv brings you the latest of nonfiction books and authors. funding for c-span2 comes from these television companies and more including charter communication. >> charter is proud to be recoed

you know, jim baker later, he said he says if they been elected, would you call ford mr. president, mr. vice president, be mr. vice president. mr. president. so fell apart and reagan was out of options. jack kemp was too young. the one option i wish he'd thought of. i wish he thought it was to go back to a 76 choice. the schweiker really, really good man senator from pennsylvania. and he dramatically when he was reagan's running mate in 76, he was he a moderate republican senator, although he was great on captive nations, was pro-life. he was pro-second amendment. he was weak on labor issues. but that's understandable. being from pennsylvania. but he had changed radically in those four years, he'd become a very good conservative by 1980. and i wish i'd been there in bush's suite, you know, with hannaford and -- allen, all those mike and others i wish i said, you know, said reagan picked schweiker because already been tested. you've been vetted. right. and he's a good guy and he's got a wonderful family. he's got there's no you a no downside and it'll help unify the conven

when jim baker said, we're going to see any support for your housing project that suddenly caused some deference at that point absent that there has been no no acceptance of us pressure yeah it is a difficult moment for the president to try to lay out that kind of ultimatum to netanyahu right before an election here in the united states isn't that right? well, i think he feels that if president trump is elected that he will have a free hand. i believe that it's been reported at least that foreign president trump said you will be able to do whatever you want to do. well, you'll be able to finish the job finish the job means you are trying to kill an ideology. you can't kill an ideology of hate with a bullet or bomb. that's what his defense prime minister his defense minister said. you don't have a long-term strategy here you're looking at a military solution is not going to be a military solution is going to be a political and so i think that now who has said, we're going to try to kill as many hamas as we can and will go into the west bank and will do the west bank what we've done the

said, it makes us stronger so when i walk away, i know another gunman on the streets, i don't think jim baker is one of them but i am aware that this incursion has really rile people and made them more ante israel. >> yeah, and an american activist was killed today in the west bank. nick, what are you learning about her death it sounds horrible and tragic. >> so she was part of a weekly protests outside one of the small israeli settlements in the occupied west bank. it a settlement is very close to a palestinian village. she was there with other with other foreigners and width and with palestinians as well and this weekly protests they were sort of down the hill, the idf, the troops, the hill towards the end of the protest, the activists said that the idf fired tear gas they were sort of hiding behind big trash cans and then they say that the idf started firing live rounds and the idf has said they did fire live rounds. they haven't said and yet, whether or not they thought there was a gunman there. but as these activists and this 26-year-old turkish american activists ran away she was shot a

both jim baker and by president george h.w. bush. and it's one of the reasons why that is one of the 12 chapters that i highlight and why his preface to my book is so important as you can guess, we're talking about diplomacy and foreign policy. the numbers are up on the screen. go ahead and dial in if you would like to talk was to eizenstat, former ambassador to the european union, former chief domestic policy adviser to president jimmy carter, and in fact, when you were in the white house, the camp david accords were signed. but you were working on domestic policy at that time. well, yes, i was. but i had a significant role in that because i was the official back channel between the president and the israeli embassy transmitting, in effect, secret views of where the israeli prime minister bacon, was going to come, giving them a view of where carter was going to come. and then i actually negotiated a part of the treaty with egypt and israel dealing with giving israel access to the oil that it would lose by moving out of the egyptian

and i give credit to jim baker and, ed meese, for helping to lead way, to bring it to reality without controversy. we can't say that about a lot of other things. the other thing is, i would point out is the way the white house functioned. it was before radio talk shows even had started. it was before the internet. obviously and cell phones were bricks. but white house had very great discipline. know how about how it communicated thanks to people, people in the press corps, in the press office at the white and president reagan was a master at making sure that we understood how the press act, not necessarily what they would say, but how to treat the press. so i credit the press secretaries that were there and and the tension on the white house staff. it's what the best and the brightest are always hired by every president. and we that should always the case. unfortunately, most of the people who are the best and the brightest also their egos deserve to be best and the brightest. and president reagan was wonderful about dealing with all of those egos allowing the best and the brightest t

violates jim baker's law, that the united states can never want an agreement more than the parties. we're violating that. plus, you're pointing to what scares me as much as everything. it's not that gaza will continue for a low-level conflict for i don't know how long, but we're seeing the gazaification of the west bank, if you will. we're seeing it with settler violence. we're seeing armed radical palestinian militias in the west bank who have eclipsed the palestinian authority. what we're seeing in gaza we could begin to see in the west bank. this could become the changing normal. that really worries me. >> radicalism on both sides there in the west bank, to be sure. we heard from cia director burns over the weekend. negotiations will resume. u.s. officials telling me and others over the weekend that they feel like both sides keep moving goalposts, hamas and israel. it doesn't seem like a deal is in the offering anytime soon. my question to you is, we have been waiting for weeks now for iran to decide whether or not they're going to retaliate for israel. the sense is they're going

the meeting, baker flew back to the us to report back to his boss and a good friend, president george w bush. bush, however, was anything but impressed with the proposal, the bush says, jim, i'm disappointed in you. i don't think we should negotiate about the future of nato . i think nato just won the cold war. i think nato is great just the way it is. so we're not going to do that. and you need to let people know. so one of my more interesting discoveries was a letter that baker then wrote to the west german 4 and ministry at the end of february, saying, i'm sorry, i should have said that i've caused confusion. we need to stop talking about this. and after that, this offer disappears from you american negotiating position. 2 weeks later, bush invited west german chancellor, helmut kohl and his wife to camp david the us president's country residence bush said to call pretty much the same thing for the trip to james baker. we're not going to negotiate or the future of nato to help with that. or that's a direct quote to help with that. and coal responded okay. the corporate job is going to want something in exchange for his burdening chips and goals. coal thought about it