it was the complementary personality of jim bakker.orbachev could deal with the president respectfully and infrequently. jim bakker had a very good relationship with ch-- i do the gorbachev was trying to reform the soviet union, not dissolve it, and i think that he ended up being a believer that he could do actually more for his people if he were to have a more open society that would be engaged, so i think he became a believer, but i -- i just don't think it would have happened with the pun personality. and remember jack matlock, or ambassador, was a cynic. he didn't think it would work. so the president was getting lots of different views, but i think jim bakker's relationship ended up being very constructive as well iismts here's another case where the personalities in the individual moments matter, it's crucial with this relationship is confide close and that he's not a diplomat, he doesn't know anything about foreign policy. he says i don't know anything about foreign policy. and gorbachev says exactly, because we're going to do e

it was the complementary with an "e" personality of jim bakker. and his -- so gorbachev could deal with the president respectfully and infrequently. jim bakker had a very good relationship, and they get along well, and that created a climate that i think encouraged gorbachev that, hey, this might work. i do think gorbachev was trying to reform the soviet union, not dissolve it. and i think that he ended up being a believer that he could do actually more for his people if he were to have a more open society that would be engaged, and so i think that he became a believer, but i -- i just don't think it would have happened just with the one personality. i think you had to have at least two personalities on each side, and remember, jack matlock, our ambassador, was a cynic. didn't really think it would work at the beginning. so the president was getting lots of different views, bullet i think jim bakker's relationshp ended up being very constructive as well as here's another case where the personalities in the individual moments matter, it's crucial w

stand up like jim bakker did and be very firm and principled and not back off.statement and back off, the israelis got the message these guys can be moved and pushed. the palestinians got the message, don't take these guys seriously because they cannot do anything. i think that is the problem we have here. the dynamic on both sides with the israelis with a sense of impunity and then a sense of nothing ahold. >> i want to continue this. kimberly, i'll come back to you right after break. i want to come back to what james baker had. he withheld approval of loan guarantees to reset the soviet jews in the area. let's continue the conversation in a moment. we'll be right back. we can save big with priceline express deals. you know what man, these guys aint no dragons. they're cool. these deals are legit. yeah, we're cool. she's cool. we're cool. priceline express deals really are legit. thousands of people book them everyday. perhaps it's because there are thousands of four star hotels to choose from. or maybe people just like saving up to 55%. look - saving you money

films including most recent god's not dead later we'll be joined via skype by jay bakker the son of fame televangelist jim and tammy faye bakker dr krauss were you ever a believer. well when i grew up when i was a kid i was exposed so stories i was brought up as you jewish household and i and i i read a lot read the bible read the qur'an and i'm sort of want to believe and then i just sort of grew out of it just like santa claus just grew out of it yeah it was not a tiff and it was just realizing was all kind of silly what about you guys and i've said about the same despite my family's valiant efforts to keep me in the religion i never could i just never buy into it it was never something i could believe in and so the cast off an early age in your film you state that so maybe is in some areas of you does as rate this as bad as rape is is that true yeah i've also seen that yeah there was a study by psychologists did in in a in a major journal and they they ranked off of the people that you might trust and atheists were at the very bottom along with rapists at the same time there was a recent pure survey th