you may remember that before i went to poland, i think -- i don't know whether jim bakker was sitting next to me. i know brent was there and john sununu and i was asked by polish journalist, if you were a young pole, you know, what would i -- what would my advice be? and what i said is i think you ought to stay there and participate in this dramatic change in your country. you ought to feel the surge of freedom. feel the move toward democracy. and be a part of it. and these are germans and germans love their country. and at some point, i think a lot of germans who have felt pent in and unable to move are gonna say, look, we can move, but wouldn't it be better to participate in the reforms that are taking place in our own country? so i think it's too early to predict this, because these -- these openings are there, that that means the whole -- everybody is gonna take off. >> [ inaudible ]. >> he has already expressed his interest in a common european home. we phrase it had differently. we said a europe whole and free. and when you see citizens wanting to go and flee what has been an op

. >> host: jim and tammy faye bakker? >> guest: they're the perfect embodiment of prosperity churches. they started a christian wonderland. they have the secret guide can do playful attitude and she was always to seconds away from bursting into song and with the blue suit and a gold watch like a carnival atmosphere in their life and marriage ferromagnetic and fun to watch and let's open the door spiritually to see what god brings. we know the relationship between the audience and televangelist is the legal recourse to but in '80s those type were very attractive to the silver set the elderly and at home by now with the mega church is a young middle-class phenomenon everyone thinks just reaching the last penny but this is the kind of thing the aspirational middle-class audience will see weekly to have practical resources about jobs and parenting. >> host: white and black and latino? >> guest: sure. it is overwhelming how many have started in the last tenures with the latino churches there were the fresh face before they wer