just danny and me and the president, vice president, jim bakker. it was before, bill had passed right before conference and the president took denny and me aside at the end and said if you can keep this bill revenue neutral and get the rates you got, you may count on my support no matter how you get to those rates, so that's how critical it was. we knew we had his backing. absolutely. but bill touched on something and that was about the treasury. jim bakker was up to his neck in negotiations with us and dick darmen because in the last seven days, where this was all done, he wasn't here. he was in tokyo with the president on one of those economic multination meetings and all of the financial negotiations for the administration were done by darmen and on the last paragraph william "bill" warren bradley of my testimony, you'll see an interesting exchange on the phone between darmen calling bakker in tokyo and telling him what to tell the president. so, is is it pretty -- i don't know if it's critical, is it immensely helpful? yes. >> senator bradley.

just danny and me and the president, vice president, jim bakker. it was before, bill had passed right before conference and the president took denny and me aside at the end and said if you can keep this bill revenue neutral and get the rates you got, you may count on my support no matter how you get to those rates, so that's how critical it was. we knew we had his backing. absolutely. but bill touched on something and that was about the treasury. jim bakker was up to his neck in negotiations with us and dick darmen because in the last seven days, where this was all done, he wasn't here. he was in tokyo with the president on one of those economic multination meetings and all of the financial negotiations for the administration were done by darmen and on the last paragraph of my testimony, you'll see an interesting exchange on the phone between darmen calling bakker in tokyo and telling him what to tell the president. so, is is it pretty -- i don't know if it's critical, is it immensely helpful? yes. >> senator bradley. >> i think presidential leader

. >> it was not an impressive debut and it was marred not by emphasizing jim bakker, glen or advisors times counselling him. the architect advocate and engineer of the united states war against iraq and the leader of the mass destruction lobby is in the front. geneva is just a serious serious mistake. >> woodruff: any impression. >> he definitely had a problem. a poll they did. they asked americans=4ñ does this candidate represent the future or the past. bush is the past. he does have a big mountain to climb. hillary clinton was oddly 58% future and 48% past. even though she's been there. but bush has this problem. i wasn't quite as under whelmed as mark. i don't know how you weigh it. the innovation and substances the willingness to take the risk and offer something new. what's hardening we have different views i think these a much more complex individual. most people like bob selig. men feel safe with people like that at the hem. there was nothing too remarkable either way. >> woodruff: you're troubled by it. >> i'm not troubled. it's a rush, judy. no one's going to get to his right