of the $1.5 billion grossed annually, just three, pat robertson, jimmy swaggert and jim bakker took in> the prime time preachers say they need the money to stay on the air. and they need to stay on the air to raise money. money for the kind of electronic equipment any network would be proud to own. >> i believe god wants us in the next 30 days to have every one of these bills paid in full, and ptl can live if we pay our bills. >> we can pay the bills. >> as televangelism grows, jim bakker understands that preaching on television is not just about standing up and giving a fire and brimstone speech, he understands in the age of television, the johnny carson approach to televangelism is what brings people in. and he's a brilliant entrepreneur and brilliant salesman of himself. >> and here are jim and tammy! >> their appeal is powerful. last year, a million people responded to the bakker's constant request for money. >> how many do you have right now? >> just about 30. >> 30 what? >> silver 7,000 clubs. >> that's $90,000. >> praise god. >> the bakkers have been criticized for their own lav

people like jim bakker and konz lee za rice. it is possible his nomination could become a proxy fight on the whole issue of russia. today we heard from three republican members of the senate foreign relations committee expressing concern about the russian meddling, saying there ought to be an investigation. that is a sign that i think the trump people need to at least pay attention. it would be hard to block tillerson from being confirmed, but you could have a debate in the senate foreign relations committee that is not helpful. >> i talked to a senior democrat this weekend who said the democrats cannot get app oh plek tick about everybody pick. they can only get apoplectic about certain ones if they're going to be effective on capitol hill. >> i think this one, tillerson, will be the fight they want to wage in the senate because -- >> rather than jeff sessions or -- >> jeff sessions will be a close second. scott pruitt will be his close third. but tillerson, i think there is progressives on his environmental record, on the fact

people like jim bakker and konz lee za rice.is possible his nomination could become a proxy fight on the whole issue of russia. today we heard from three republican members of the senate foreign relations committee expressing concern about the russian meddling, saying there ought to be an investigation. that is a sign that i think the trump people need to at least pay attention. it would be hard to block tillerson from being confirmed, but you could have a debate in the senate foreign relations committee that is not helpful. >> i talked to a senior democrat this weekend who said the democrats cannot get app oh plek tick about everybody pick. they can only get apoplectic about certain ones if they're going to be effective on capitol hill. >> i think this one, tillerson, will be the fight they want to wage in the senate because -- >> rather than jeff sessions or -- >> jeff sessions will be a close second. scott pruitt will be his close third. but tillerson, i think there is that concern from the progressives on his environmental r

and 1984 when i was covering reagan and the debates are basically decided by the campaigns, and jim bakker for the reagan campaign and jim johnson of the mondale campaign, they would get together and they would negotiate everything. by this time, and i think frank and mike would say this, that power of the commission has grown over the years so they now decade. they say we will have the debate in las vegas on this date and it will be this kind of the debate, townhall or one on one, and so-and-so will be the moderator. they do take it and because of that it is taken on an independent body which is not concerned about electing either of them as president. the most challenging thing for me was, the good news was i'm getting a debate. the bad news, and i love the way frank set it, he's a great salesman because he made it sound like this is a good thing. he said you are batting cleanup, chris. doing the last debate. that sounds good but this is about september 3 and the last debate was october 19 which meant i had a month and half this do about this. my wife was sitting in the front row and she

i think as secretary of state has to follow what jim bakker said back in the george h.w.licly even before he went over. he said i will be the president's envoy to the state department and not the other way around. >> and that's what you want -- >> what are the duties of the secretary of state? >> well, primarily to advise the president on national security issues, to come up with suggestions for grand strategy for the united states to maintain america's place in the world that is critical to safeguarding our way of life here at home, and then to carry that policy out through diplomacy and all the other tools that we have available. i think it's important to understand -- the state department is not just a diplomatic place. it's a political place, and again, to just look at jim bakker, his memoir was call the politics of diplomacy, that title alone tells you a lot about what the job involves. >> ambassador john bolton will be meeting with president-elect donald trump tomorrow. thank you for joining us live today. good luck. >> you're very kind. i'll see peter outside the b

condoleeza rice, bob gates, jim bakker, agree on one thing, he's the right guy. he served on a think tank with henry kissinger, who seems to be smart. >>> we've got a busy wednesday morning. we pause and turn over there. heather, you have a bunch of news. >> good morning, good morning everyone. starting out with a fox news alert. a serious story. isis terrorists reportedly buying arsenals of military grade weapons and materials on what's being described as an industrial scale. an alarming new report out says that extremists are manufacturing and stocking explosives x rockets and drones in bulk. the majority of the materials coming from the same factories in turkey. isis is producing ammunition at an unprecedented rate. more on this as we go. >>> after crashing into the shallow waters off the coast of japan, the video shows the mangled pile of wreckage and debris near okinawa. this happened during a training exercise, but no word on what went wrong. all marines were airlifted to the hospital. two will be okay. but we're waiting to hear about the extent of the rest