ball or what's driving the markets in these last few days of the year i'm joined by the pundit jim baloo my colleague of course will phone call do you think come markets well i mean if the reaction is anything to go by so far it's not doing any of that likely you reassurance that isn't quite there reassurance now investors actually thinking about whether they have to be concerned about the liquidity that he had to discuss with those six bank c.e.o.'s in the u.s. that he spoke with yesterday and of course today he'll be having a meeting with the leading market participants in the u.s. regarding the current market volatility among other things and so obviously investors are wondering if there's more to be concerned about not really reassured of those points so everybody's i actually kind of wondering they want to be probably listening in on those phone calls and that's the issue right now you know i mean those phone calls just quite an unusual move in a not necessarily instilling confidence there and that certainly when you have that back backdrop that the government shutdown which i mean