back with me is nbc news terrorism analyst evan kohlmann and jim cavanagh retired atf agent and nbc lawnforcement analyst. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> jim, you've seen the video of the attack. what do you think of the tactics and training? >> well, i don't see a lot of training in there but i see some familiarity with the firearms. maybe one of these guys or both have been in a conflict area before. they're outfitted correctly. they have gloves. when you shoot a gun like that like a clishkalashnikov, it gets hot. they're not expert marksmen but they got a tight group on a police windshield. there's some planning. i don't see a lot of military training. maybe they have been in a conflict zone syria, northern africa, somewhere else or they could have just had firearms training and practiced a lot. they have the desert ammunition vest, et cetera. they flubbed a lot of stuff. they went to the wrong door. the one guy jumps out of the car with his shoes untied. there's a highly trained military person them get cartoonist and put the gun to her head to get into the building