lots of questions, reverend al. >> jim cavanaugh, what do you make of this report?know i've been back and forth with the "politicsnation" team on this data today, reverend al. here is what i see. in "the new york times" reporting story, there is a paragraph in there that is very significant. as a commander, it's the one i went right to. and what it says is "new york times" reporter talked directly to a person, and i believe it was an american, but i may be wrong about that. >> but they talked directly to a person who personally examined the malaysian military radar. and that person said that it left little doubt that the plane went across the malaysian peninsula and toward the straits of malacca. little doubt. and that was based on two different malaysian military sites. >> now why is that important? >> because that absolutely establishes that the plane did not explode back over at the initial spot or completely disintegrate as earlier beliefs. and of course we have no debris found there, and we have nothing on the satellites indicating explosion there. and now we h

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. >> so jim cavanaugh, there's a fair expectation. you think you lose your passport and report it as missing and nobody should be able to use it, and yet we know two people were actually able to use missing passports to board this plane. >> right. i mean, it's disgustingly sloppy whether this comes out to be anything related to the crash of the airliner, karen, but when you present a pass port, it is in the interpoll database and stolen two years previously, you should be arrested at the ticket count irwhether you are a smuggler in currency or drugs or immigration violations or terrorist or whatever you are. and other passengers shouldn't be flying with you. you are a criminal using a fake, forged passport and should be stopped immediately. so that's a gross oversight. the fact is whether it's related here will be key to the investigators. you mentioned in your lead-in at the camera footage at the airport will be key to identifying the faces of these guys. and secondly documents they may have handed to the ticket agent, whether it is

for the look at what's next, i'm joined by former atf special agent in charge jim cavanaugh. ery much for joining us. good to see you, jim. >> good morning, chris. >> let's start with the idea this is a criminal investigation. once you make that assessment that that's a likelihood, where do you go? >> there's a whole lot of tracks that move on the criminal side. i would point out, though, in fire investigations, explosive investigations, airplane tragedies like this, the investigation always moves on parallel tracks, because we don't know the cause. is it an accident al like a fir? and the ntsb, fbi, atf, that's the way we run command posts for these major events. we move on parallel tracks, because we go after leads on the criminal side doesn't mean we're abandoning the accidental side. i would just let viewers understand that. on the criminal size, there's really three scenarios that have to be said as major lead categories. those are a pilot did it, a polite complicit, the other is hijackers, and pilot for a sue myomotor. a pilot complicit in a criminal motive, like financi

i'm joined by jim cavanaugh.a welcome to you, we have learned this interesting fact that two passengers, possibly more, were traveling under false identities. how does this information impact the investigation? >> the commander are going to have to run thog leads to ground. it doesn't mean the answer there. worldwide travelers travel on fraudulent passports for a lot of reasons -- fraud, they want to skip immigration in china, or maybe their final destination. i think these passengers had tickets through to amsterdam and europe. they could have been trying to illegally immigrate or carry, smuggle money or drugs. terror is one of those reasons as well. they have to find out who they are. they'll do that probably from the airport cameras, to start with. >> the a.p., associated press, is reported that the interpol says no country checked its database that had information about the two stolen passports. shouldn't that be standard operating procedure? itches it's outrageous in this day and time that anybody can board

navy pilot and jim cavanaugh, an nbc law enforcement analyst.u both for coming on the show tonight. >> thanks, reverend. >> you bet. >> jay, let me start with you again. we haven't confirmed this news report, but if it is true, it certainly lends the impression that everything was pretty much normal right up until the transponder shuts off. what's your reaction? >> i read over the transcript that they put out and i don't see anything that odd in it, reverend. all i saw was pretty much normal communications with regard to the repeating the flight level the second time. sometimes a pilot will do that. they may have forgot than they just did it with the previous call in and they just wanted to make sure. that doesn't particularly bother me, either. the fact that they haven't found anything in that debris field -- >> well, before you go into the debris field because i want to talk about that. jim, what stands out to you about this latest report? >> reverend, just like jay said, it seems like normal. i read the transcript that the telegraph put out a

we're going to have to wait until we get some facts. >> jim cavanaugh and david soucie, thank you bothing. >> thanks, reverend al. >> certainly. thank you. >>> still ahead, still ahead, a new gop outrage. they're going after great american literature. what is their problem with dr. suess? >>> plus, the fight to end stand your ground. today we took a major step forward. stay with us. [phones rings] it's amanda. hey sweetie. what? okay, i'll send it. one hundred seventy-two dollars for a chemistry book, what is it, made of gold? just use citi popmoney. boom. ah, she's feeling lucky. hey sweetie...cancun, yeah no, you'll be spending spring break with your new chemistry book. with citi popmoney it's easy to send money to just about anyone, anytime. visit your local branch or citi.com/easierbanking to learn more. >>> sarah palin stole the show again at cpac. she did a little reading, some "green eggs and ham." it was a page straight out of ted cruz's playbook. >> i do not like this, uncle sam. i do not like his health care scam. i do not like -- [ applause ] i do not like this kind of hope,

jim cavanaugh, want to thank you for your time tonight.for lawrence o'donnell. you can find me on facebook at facebook.com/arimelber. and chris hayes is up next. >>> ten days later and still more questions than answers. let's play "hardball." >>> good evening. i'm joy reid in for chris matthews. leading off tonight, why, where, and how? it's been ten days since malaysia flight 370 vanished, apparently into thin air. it's now a criminal investigation, with 26 countries involved in the search effort. countless teams of investigators are poring over information, investigators are raiding homes. the most sophisticated tlnl in the modern era is looking for clues and remarkably we are no closer to answering any of these basic questions than we were ten days ago, whenal

jim cavanaugh, want to thank you for your time tonight.for lawrence o'donnell. you can find me on facebook at facebook.com/arimelber. and chris hayes is up next. >>> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. tonight, ten days after the disappearance of malaysia airlines flight 370, investigators say it was taken off course deliberately. exactly where it was taken and where it is right now is still the greatest mystery of all. >> this movement are consistent with deliberate action by someone on the plane. >> here's why investigators now believe the plane was deliberately steered off course. mh-370 took off at 12:41 a.m. local time. at 1:07 a.m., the aircraft communications addressing and reporting system, or acars, which send maintenance

joining me are captain john cox, a retired airline pilot, and jim cavanau cavanaugh, an nbc law enforcementlyst, who's been deeply involved in many high-profile investigations, including the unabomber case. thank you both for being on the show tonight. >> thanks, reverend al. >> my pleasure. >> captain, malaysia airlines officials believe the co-pilot was the last one to talk to air traffic controllers. what would be the significance of that? >> there's really no significance in it. the flight crew members swap duties, depending on different legs, and that just means that the routine radio transmissions is were being handled by the first officer, fully qualified, and he's an experienced pilot. so this would be a very routine, normal event. >> now, jim, if you were leading this investigation, how intently are you focused on the two captains on onboard the flight? >> i would be very intently focused on them, reverend al, because they have the knowledge, they have the skills, they have the opportunity, they have all the ability to do what was done with the plane, which we now know from the mal

. >> as the shootout rages, atf agent jim cavanaugh is already on the phone with the davidians trying to gain a cease-fire. >> we were taking an awful beating. so many men were hurt and wounded and laying down there. when i called the compound, it was steven snyder. >> steven snyder was koresh's top lieutenant. >> he started screaming through the phone that we had no right to be there, to get off the property immediately. i tried to stay calm. i said, steve, we have to talk. we have to work this out. you and i have to work this out. people are dying. people are hurt. we need to stop the shooting. >> soon cavanaugh is talking directly with david koresh. >> everything's okay. just you and me are talking. that's the main thing. you care for people. >> i had a radio mic in one ear with an agent pleading for his life and i had this guy on the phone who thought he was god. >> checking now our top stories on prime news. in waco, texas, at least four federal agents are dead and 14 are injured in a shoot-out with members of a religious cult. >> it takes negotiators two and a half hours to gain

joining me now are gregory fyfe, a former ntsb investigator and jim cavanaugh, an nbc law enforcementthank you both for coming on the show tonight. greg, let me start with you. we've learned that the plane was programmed to make this turn. walk us through that. could one of the pilots have done this without the other one realizing it? >> absolutely. during the preflight preparation on the ground, typically you'll have a pilot walk around the outside of the plane to do the preflight to make sure the plane is sound. a lot of the time, the other pilot will be in the cockpit doing cockpit duties to include building the flight management flight plan, so you'll have a guy by himself putting in the route. he could build a primary flight plan from kuala lumpur to beijing. >> without the knowledge of the other pilot that was checking out the plane. >> correct. we've also learned more about the pilots. >> each day, the mystery surrounding the pilot deepens. we now know he has two homes. why would a well off pilot hijack his own plane, friends ask? >> bright, intelligent, inquisitive. >> and a f

jim cavanaugh is an nbc law enforcement analyst and back with us is jay rollins, retired american airlines to all of you for being here. >> thank you. >> now, to breaking news today could narrow this investigation. we, again, don't know if these imagines are debris from the missing jet. but if it is confirmed, the question remains, were the pilots involved? let's go around starting with tom. in light of the news, what's your take on the pilot? >> well, we never heard a mayday and the first thing a pilot would do besides handling the situation would be to notify air traffic control that there was a problem. we never heard that. the plane either executed a divert flight plan or the heading select was moved to a course that would take it to the west of its way point position or it's course to china. beyond that, the debris or the focus now which seems to be very narrow and very intense is based on a satellite imagine of debris that is probably in line -- it is in line with the fuel -- the limit of the plane to fuel exhaustion, to the point of fuel exhaustion. but this is like flying from new

cavanaugh had been mentioned as a possible eventual successor to ceo jim my dimon. this puts matt zames, the coo of the bank as the true heir apparent to jamie dimon. what this also means to carlyle is interesting. people have always said that carlyle, the founders still run that firm and they're always trying to build a bench. he's probably about as strong as you're going to get. >> we just had david rubenstein here. >> in terms of how much money you can make? >> better shout over. >> just multiple. exponentially more. >> i don't have cavanaugh's pay but zames was paid about $17 million back in 2012. >> carlyle, that's one deal. show up and you make that, don't you? if you punch a time clock. >> you show up on january 1st you make that. >>> other breaking news in the ongoing fight between carl icahn and ebay. ebay issuing a letter that will go out publicly in ten minutes. shareholders emphasizing the benefits to customers and share hoe e holders and on keeping ebay and paypal together. he said he only wants 20% of paypal to be spun off to shareholders. ebay says th