. >> and, keir, joining us now, jim cavanaugh, msnbc law enforcement analyst. jim, this has all the earmarks of something very, very terrible. with this low tech weapon of a van. >> well, right, andrea. this vehicle attack has become the crime du jour of terrorists worldwide. stockholm, nice, london, berlin, barcelona, charlottesville. and they learn through the vicarious experience of others and they have seen the carnage it can wreak. and also what we're seeing here, like keir reported, we don't have the absolute facts. we know spanish police are calling it an attack. but you have a rental van. that's been very common in attacks in europe. the rental car. they can get a bigger truck. and they can cause more death. it is stronger, like in nice. and then, of course, the -- there is various reports, nothing has been confirmed, but one or two people exiting the vehicle. what we have seen in past attacks is one or two people who exit the vehicle, andrea, with knives or guns. and continue the attack, like london bridge, we saw that kind of the nice killer had a fire

let's bring in jim cavanaugh right now, msnbc analyst.

jim cavanaugh, i want to go straight to you. on the nature of this kind of raid, people are calling it pre-dawn. we don't know what that is. is that 3:00 a.m.? is that 4:00 a.m.? it's certainly in the fbi's judgment before anyone in the paul manafort household would be awake. tell us what that kind of raid is like when you're inside the home. what do you hear? does the doorbell ring? is the door just knocked in? what happens in that home? >> right, lawrence. well, most likely it's a 6:00 a.m. raid. the federal rules of criminal procedure only allow search warrants to be served -- forbid search warrants to be served between the hours of 10:00 p.m. and 6:00 a.m. it's extremely unusual in the federal service to get a warrant before 6:00 a.m. or in the night. we only got them on very violent offenders, and we have to convince the judge there's a reason. now, what happens on a case like this, once it's 6:00 a.m., the warrant can be served. it's a white-collar case. there's no real danger of violence, but you have certain procedures.

jim cavanaugh, i believe, is standing by. jim, i want to just quickly ask you to look at pictures like this, of cars plowing into people, what we have seen over the course of the past year, attacks of this nature, what does this bring to mind for you? >> right. it's possible, we don't know for sure because we don't know the motive or whether it's an accident or if it was a criminal act that brings to mind, you know, the attacks by jihadist terrorists in europe. we saw nice, france, and across europe, the trucks and plowing into crowds, just the other day, into some soldiers in france. so, terrorist attacks can be learned behavior as well. so, if it turns out to be an assault, you know, that can be learned behavior through the vicarious experience of others. in other words, members of one group here learn from what they see and they decide upon themselves to assault somebody. we don't know if that's the case, but that one vehicle is damaged on the right rear passenger side pretty heavy, so another vehicle clipped that and then,

let's bring in jim cavanaugh right now, msnbc analyst. jim, you were with me last weekend as we talked based on your background and your work with police and profiling and all of that. we talked about what happened in charlottesville and while there were police on the scene there, let's put it this way to put it mildly, their efficacy was pretty poor until it was too late. it would seem like boston has taken a cue from that and said we are not going to let that happen here. we keep hearing about 500 police officers there, and everyone with whom i've spoken this last half hour has said it seems to be in control at this point. talk about what happened then and what is happening today and the difference, and how police departments go about making that difference. >> right, alex, a great question. well, there's a couple of big differences. one is the size of the force. the charlottesville force is much smaller, maybe 130, 150 officers. of course they were backed up by the virginia state police. boston pd, 2,000, sometimes up to 2500. i don't k

what did happen out there, whether or not this was intentional, as jim cavanaugh, our law enforcement expert has indicated, it certainly looks as such. we now have information into nbc news that we do expect the president of the united states, donald trump, to address what is going on and what has played out in charlottesville this morning during his remarks at his golf resort in new jersey. we see a group of people have gathered behind the presidential podium for what we anticipate to be a bill signing, but we also see the presidential podium there. i want to go to nbc's kelly o'donnell who is with the president in bridgewater, new jersey, near the president's golf resort. kelly, what's the latest? >> reporter: well, we can tell you that i've spoken to white house officials who say the president will use this opportunity to address the nation on the issue that has been playing out in charlottesville. that was not the original intent of today's event. this is going to be a bill signing related to veterans affairs, and the president had intended that this would be a more celebratory ev

i think jim cavanaugh is still with us. you are watching this, you see police there right in the center. tell me -- tell me what the tactics are that they're going to do. are they just going to try to extricate those rabble rousers or do they have to stand strong and create a strong blue line there? >> yeah, they're form back their line. they snatched and grabbed it looks like a protester there or somebody who might have been engaged in some violence. certainly they made an arrest. so what that's about we didn't see. but they quickly moved in, they snatched the person. the person -- what happens, alex, somebody could have thrown an object at the officers or wielded a stick or failed to obey a lawful command. now, this is a tactic here that the tactical police use. those are 36-inch riot batons and you just use both hands, you walk forward and project the stick in front of you. you're not trying to arrest anybody or hit anybody, you're just trying to move them back slowly because you want to take that position on the street.

. >>> on the heels of maya, let's bring in jim cavanaugh, msnbc law enforcement analyst. jim, with a welcome to you, so when the violence first broke out, police seemed rather slow to move in. can you tell me what the ideology would have been there or what kind of preparations they probably had, knowing this was going to be a well attended rally and it had the possibility of very heightened tensions? >> right. well, they're anticipating this level of angictivity, alex, whe you have the klan, neo-nazi groups and neofascist groups. they know what the activity will be like and it's just what the camera is showing you, spraying some mace back and forth, throwing water bottles, just kind of clashes and punches. they have staged their officers to be able to deal with that without trying to overly ramp it up. but now once they have declared the unlawful assembly, as you've noted earlier, they moved in more officers and troopers in the area, they have taken command of the area. and if people try to march back right now, they could probably be -- expect to be arrested pretty quick.

shawn henry and jim cavanaugh, stand by. we're going to take a quick break.e'll have an update on the other side of it. >> we were about a hundred meertsz frr in a street adjacent to las ramblas. another pedestrian there full of shops. and all of a sudden all we could hear was screaming and a tidal wave of people coming around the corner down the street. fear etched in their faces, screaming, yelling in spanish, crying, extremely distressed children. i felt so terrible for them. and immediately my first thought was there's been a terrorist attack. and quickly with my husband we managed to run into one of the shops. and we were in there with about a hundred other people, shut us down until we felt it was okay to leave and get to a hotel. for your heart... your joints... or your digestion... so why wouldn't you take something for the most important part of you... your brain. with an ingredient originally found in jellyfish, prevagen is now the number one selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide. prevagen. the name to remember. her long day as a

. >> jim cavanaugh is standing by for us as well. he's special agent in charge, former hostage negotiator. authorities there in barcelona, spain, just after 7:00, what are they doing? what's the first order of business? >> the first order of business is to stop the attacker, find him, stop him from killing again, one or more. we don't know. where is he? where are they? and they have detectives out there and patrol out doing it and intelligence working on it and we haven't heard that word from kelly or keir over there whether or not they've located the attackers. there's various reports on the media about all kinds of things, you know, on the transcript, but there's been nothing confirmed by the police. so did the attacker escape? is he still in the area and armed? is there another attack planned? are there any koconfederates afoot. it's dangerous if he gets away because he could launch an attack on another day or even quickly. that's the key. the commanders are working that heavy. they have an on-scene command right in the area same

let's bring in jim cavanaugh right now, msnbc analyst. sed on your background and your work with police and profiling and all of that. we talked about what happened in charlottesville and while there were police on the scene there, let's put it this way to put it mildly, their efficacy was pretty poor until it was too late. it would seem like boston has taken a cue from that and said we are not goi

maya, as we keep you on the phone, jim cavanaugh is joining me as well on the phone. jim, a long-time atf, he's been an investigator in all sorts of cases. hey, jim, police presence here, look, to our eyes, to the limited scope that we've been able to bring people with our cameras on one perspective, there does not seem to have been a tremendous police presence. what is going to be the protocol in a situation like this? >> usually, alex, what happens is when they know a planned event like this is coming, and charlottesville pd and virginia state police have a lot of time to prepare, they have more tactical officers staged at nearby locations. so you're not seeing the full force. that's a pretty common tactic, especially with these rallies with the klan, neo nazis. they have done those for years and i'm sure they have more tactical officers geared up and staged at nearby police stations, the state trooper headquarters, so you're not seeing everything they have. what they're trying to do is roll it out in proportion to what they deal with. otherwise it tends to escalate

in the flames of racism with its half century long southern strategy as jim cavanaugh and valerie urban and big picture panel. greg palast will be will shortly but first i'm joined live on the ground from charlottesville virginia by our t. america's attash a sweet natasha what can you tell us what's going on there. yeah that's right tom you know today the the man being charged with a deadly car crash made his first court appearance today twenty year old james alex fields he has been charged second degree murder for hitting a crowd of people with his car killing one and injuring several others and his bail has been denied today. and the judge has set august twenty fifth for his next hearing and it's possible that there will be a bond hearing before then and solidarity events have taken place around the country for the violence that erupted in charlottesville and more are scheduled for this evening the community has been vocal about the lives that were lost the i knew it was going to be bad we everyone in town knew there was going to be violence because the groups were bragging ahead of t

joining me right now, msnbc's jim cavanaugh. im, i know you've been a part of this, watching this coverage all day. we're going to hear from charlottesville officials and their local agencies, but are they going to have to admit to a major failing today? because there was only one person taken into kuls today prior to that assault, that deadly assault with that car. shouldn't they have done more to take people, violent offenderers into custody? >> well, they have to dmit an act of violence firs and some of the violence we saw earlier when there was 8 people injured and one arrest in an early protest was this spitting across the aisle, this pushing, the signs going back and forth. certainly the protestors on each side with helmets. but it wasn't anything -- no, you know, major injuries or deaths right there. and the police didn't intervene at that point. what they did was, though, effectively disperse the crowd and get them to leave, which is a general police tactic that's used to quell the violence. but then of course you have th

i want to bring back into our conversation jim cavanaugh, who is an msnbc analyst and law enforcementxpert on this. so, jim, specifically when we talk about how the police chief characterized a criminal homicide investigation, what does that mean? does that mean that this is basically vehicular homicide? >> exactly. it's a criminal homicide. it's a vehicular homicide. it's probably a hate crime, and it could fall under the terrorism statutes as well. so it's all of the above, thomas. and what they're going to do is put the totality of the facts together. if the driver was a chance man, a neo nazi, they'll be able to find all that out if he was protesting, if he was antagonizing. he'll have computer potus, facebook posts. he might be a member of these groups, which would show his intent maybe to hurt the people he killed and injured. so they could put that together. the video clips, the chief was praising the citizens they should turn in those videos to the charlottesville pd so they can use that in a murder trial. it could be a hate crime trial, even a terrorism trial. the main point

i want to bring in jim cavanaugh now, nbc analyst, law enforcement expert. know, this was captured on tape, there were protesters on foot. many recording that scene then more people broke out their phones in action as it happened. but i know virginia is a capital punishment state and an act of terrorism would be considered one of those aggrevating factors that would achieve a person getting a sentence like this. is is this the that type of case? >> it looks like a murder case, thomas, you're right. i just watched some video from the "huffington post" that posted from a different angle. just what you're describing. all the citizens with their video cell phones out. and it shows the charger coming back down the hill from the rear and you can clearly see it if you stop the video on that one i'm sure you guys will have it up shortly, but about three seconds in, there you go. if you stop it, you can see how far back the driver sees it's just a street with pedestrians. and if you slow it down, which i did to watch it, the pedestrians are all reacting so much to th