>> well, jim claper is unique in that he's actually run two of the big five agencies. and he has the trust of the pentagon. so that should enable him to do some things. >> brown: because there has been some tension. >> there's been a lot of tension between the intelligence community and the pentagon. they fight over the same pot of money. they fight over roles and missions. what i'd like to see jim do is start downsizing this incredible bloat that has occurred since 9/11 and about which the post has written so well yesterday and today. we're going to need to right- size the intelligence community. and taking the power that he has to move money around, he's going to have to, i think, beginning next year make cuts in the intelligence community budget. this is the first time in the last several years that this has happened. the intelligence community budget has tripled since 9/11. anything that anyone ever wants. if they say it's about terrorism or about cyber security they get the money for it. >> brown: you're not talking just about his office. you're talking about the