i called jim clark and i got a housekeeper and she said jim is in the office, the u.k.ere. this is a billionaire. he picks up the phone and i said i michael lewis. i said i'm just down at this coffee shop. come on over. he was at that time is very depressing room on top of the jenny craig weight loss center. what he was doing when i got there was trying to program, write the program for a giant sailboat for a job that would enable him to sail the boat across the atlantic. it was just like a challenge. a fully automated vote that he could control remotely. i just thought i want to spend more time with this guy and not lag to the new thing that led to some articles which got glued together. and the writer's life they are books and look-alike objects that may or could you does the whole thing from a magazine piece or hate them -- home game pasted together. >> host: what was netscape? >> guest: was netscape? it was the first browser. you think back to that time, the browser was what people thought was going to be valuable. >> guest: it wasn't that long ago. >> guest: jim cl