there is an fbi profiler named jim clementi. he has also written some episodes. "did you ever have this particular case," i asked him, and he said he had had it several times. he says this actually helps, so -- newmont tavis: -- so -- tavis: as i was saying to you the other day, and was flying back to l.a., and there was the television on demand listing. i watched eight episodes of you between connecticut and los angeles. >> that is a lot of "criminal minds." tavis: and there was one that i was watching where they had cut up the body parts and had served them in chili. >> he was actually feeding the victim to those who were looking for the victim. that might be in our top five twisted abbasids. tavis: if there are five, i do not want to know the other four. >> one was based on a real case, and the way we played it is the thing that tipped us off as to how many killings that had gone on is that we found an entire dumpster of shoes, and they belonged to all of the victims, and once they were laid out, there were dozens of shoes. yes, it is. it definitely gets you.