to talk about the contrasting policies, jim clyburn. mr.ou for being with us. >> thank you so much for having me. >> first of all, the budget fights ahead, it's clear that the house votes are all going to go the republicans' way, but right now the senate is even talking about voting in favor of paul ryan's budget, even though they don't want it to pass. so what -- what are the competing tactics right now on the ryan budget? >> well, i don't know exactly what the senate's plans might be, but i do know this. the ryan budget will inflict so much pain on middle income americans until it will absolutely wreak havoc in their families. so what i am hopeful, is that we can get the votes to pass the democratic alternative to the ryan budget. we don't believe that we ought to be raising taxes on middle income americans, which is exactly what the ryan budget will do. if you are going to sort the voucherize medicare, and then say to them with this voucher, you shop around, but then i've got to make up the difference with the insurance, then that's rais

jim clyburn told the huffington post he was absolutely shocked to hear scalia say that a key piece protects racial entitlements. the high court heard oral arguments last week on striking down part of the act that requires the justice department to approve any voting changes in certain jurisdictions. what scalia was basically saying and i'm quoting him here, the 15th amendment of the constitution ain't got no concerns for me because i'm white and proud. >>> now it seems he's getting the cold shoulder. christie was not invited to the conservative political action conference set for later this month. the powerful group's leader says it's because christie backed a temporary expansion of medicaid and the $60 billion hurricane sandy relief bill. peter king says the group is ignoring christie's record. >> that's a suicidal death wish. cpac to me loses all credibility. you have a governor who was conservative, balanced the budget, taken on republican employee unions, pro-life and a 74% favorable rating in a democratic blue state. chris christie is doing the job but they say because he fought for th

>> congressman jim clyburn who has a brilliant idea he's said over and over again, what we need to doar as job stimulation dollars to areas that suffer the most unemployment. i think that's a good idea. you will find that if you do that, not only will you help people who may be african-american, who are unemployed, but you help a lot of other people who are unemployed, also. i think we can't -- this whole thing of austerity is not the way to do it. keep in mind, in europe, the unemployment rate is 11.9%. they have gone on that austerity type thing. we have to find ways to stimulate the economy. the van hollen proposal is one where he addresses this issue by having targeted cut so you don't do so much damage to the economy bringing back up the boca rule and having tax reforms that address loopholes for these gas companies, oil companies. we have to do things like that. again, i want -- everybody is excited and i watch the talk shows today, oh the president is meeting with the republicans and he's meeting with -- we may have a grand bargain. we have to remember, we have to ask ourselves