congressman clyburn and senator lewis were activist and shaped by jim crowe seg -- segregation and they shift from political organizer to electoral politics and they did it successfully and maintained an understanding with grassroots. congressman clyburn and congressman lewis represent accountability. once they achieved political power they remembered their backgrounds as civil rights activist. it is an extrordinary situations. >> host: peniel joseph, what was stokely carmichael's reputation among those on the ground? >> guest: before becoming a black power activist he is well known. before he is an icon and in the front page of the new york time s he was someone people knew has a snick activist. john lewis and him were friends. and he remembered he instantly liked stokely carmichael. among young people and activist he had a good reputation. he was stubborn and cracked wise jokes. king loved him like a little brother. stokely wasn't in awe of anyone. >> host: congressman clyburn would you agree with that? >> guest: yes. i was in south carolina, i remember, we went to raleigh, north caro