caroline's favorite son jim clyburn attacked bill clinton for dismissing obama. is book, clyburn recalls the former president's fury in a late night telephone call. let's listen. >> after several intermediate conversations, this powerful voice came on the other end. if you bastards want a fight, you damn well will get one. i needed no help identifying that voice. it was bill clinton, the former of the president of the united states. >> great voice there. rob gibbs was president obama's press secretary, and april ryan, author of "the presidency in black and white." he is sort of saluting in a dark way your success. i remember the fight, and i was for obama in that fight. and i remember clinton used the phrase "fantasy." it's all a fantasy. and the way it was put or spun i think by you guys, i bought it, was that he was saying this whole obama thing is a fantasy. he is not going to be president of the united states. it's just another symbolic campaign, a moral campaign, but symbolic campaign like jesse jackson's campaign. they weren't going to win. going to be margi

jim clyburn took it personally. we can talk about that. clyburn nowhere to be seen today. and he says he's not going to endorse anyone in the primary. >> tellingly, clay middleton, former staffer to jim clayburn is running the operation for hillary clinton here. a lot of overt outreach to veterans of the barack obama campaign in 2008 and a real attempt on the part of the hillary clinton campaign to merge their campaign with obama world. you're seeing it in hillary clinton speaking to african-american women business owners today. she started her day at kiki's chicken and waffles, trying to ingratiate herself with members of the black community in columbia. i'm told that one of the things she's going to try to do to bring these two pieces of her base together african-americans and women, is to focus on equal pay. the campaign believing that's something that can bring women of all ethnicities together. she's got to get both groups excited. women and african-americans. they've got to get past what happened in 2008. i haven't seen much indication that people are holding a grudge