at jim comey's house and jim comey was out in the front yard spreading mulch, you know -- >> of course he was. >> -- and there was -- he was taken out of a pickup truck and spreading mulch in his yard and the server takes a look at him, jim comey is a pretty recognizable guy, takes a look at him and walks up to the front door and knocks on the door, rings the doorbell, looks in, you know, looking for jim comey. >> he is a hard guy to miss. >> hard guy to miss. so trump's servers are not being that informed. the guy turns around, starts walking out, takes a look at comey, heads out, gets in his car, leaves, doesn't serve him with the suit. >> it gets back to the incompetence, i guess, of all of this operation, from top to bottom his legal operation right side incompetent. you and your colleagues are reported on lawyers having to hire lawyers, will she need a lawyer now? >> i mean, everyone in trump's orbit who is providing him with legal advice now i think is -- has to be thinking about that if not confronting it. look, dating back to don mcgahn in the first year of the presidency he ne

jiat's james comey. jim , you will be investigating you both.m , jim jordan, the both ofthb you will be investigating beenwhether the fbi has been politicized and whether the doj has been weaponizes. s no >> what do you see so far ?at's well, it's not a question of whether that's happened. it has, because we've had nowlan dozens of fbi agents come to usu taking whistleblower status, talking about how political things have becomew ings h. and we step back and look at the big picture. we had a department of justice that treated moms and dadsist.. terrorists use the patriot act. and we actually got the fbi that paid twitter three million dollars for one , not two, but three million dollars to censor conservative viewpoints on our platform. and then, of course, you got what we've seen happen across agai we've seen happen across agencies where it's been weaponizes against the ver peope people they're supposed to serve. the department of homeland triedt upsecurity tried to setp a disinformation governance board as if some federal agencyd should tell t

professor, is there a double standard in the way that our government jim comey in july 2016 and the way media are treating biden and treated donald trump. is there a dual system? >> there is the perception. i don't think hillary clinton should be prosecuted and i don't think trump should be prosecuted. >> sean: you don't think deleting 30,000 emails were obstruction? >> she claimed they were personal emails. >> sean: we will take her word for it. >> in comey concluded she deliberately did those things, i would have a different opinion. the names of agents could be dedacted for biden. this is years old material. >> sean: we don't know what is in there. 15 seconds. gregg jarrett, the final word real quick. >> hillary clinton should have been prosecuted. the evidence was overwhelming. if you are going to prosecute david and people in the military for less, it was an injustice not to bring a case against hillary clinton. james comey did a legal pirouette and said so prosecutor would bring such a case. every prosecutor in america would have loved such an easy case. >> sean: thank you both. m

email chains with several top-secret documents among them, and we're supposed to say it's okay, and jim comey gets up and says we're not going to prosecute in this case. other folks, a former civilian employee of the defense department, put together by jim garrity, spent months in prison for bringing classified documents back to their house. another, 18 months in prison, $10,000 crime, for willfully detaining national defense information. another one got nine years in a federal prison. geraldo, can you -- >> nine years is an espionage. >> why do the rules not pertain to the president or the former president? >> i'll answer your question with a question. how do you feel about the fact, as jeanine points out, this was the day before the midterms, something like that, the purported proximity makes it so relevant and so forth? what if this election coming up, or the candidacy of either of these gentlemen, turns on this crap? on negligence. you know, the president of the united states, and the vice president of the united states, they weren't shoplifters. she weren't crooks. they were sloppy. >> w

jim comey, my husband, the women who didn't listen to their husbands, on and on. you get twitter whoay, she's right. get rid of the russians or let the people think the russians were on to -- on to -- on twitter and what we're going to do is make sure that people hate all of the russians and understand why hillary lost. but the bottom line is, jack dorsey goes before congress and says, no, we didn't do anything untoward toward anybody. and he swore to tell the truth and he didn't. he should be prosecuted. too many people got hurt in all of this. and, yeah, i'm in the serious part of all of this. or maybe you can just jail hillary with no evidence just like they did on twitter. >> i think -- you think -- it's interesting you say you ear in the serious part of this and speaking to what your point was how this could be misused in the hands of the powerful. it's been misused in the hands of us. look at what we've done to one another on twitter. that's the bigger threat to me. >> interesting. >> the people here are following suit to what people down here are doing. >> look at that. if you

even jim comey announced in july 2016. and then he ignored the whole issue of 33,000 deleted e-mails and devices, blackberries, iphones bashed with hammers and sim cards removes. we don't know where we are on those e-mails. he said no prosecutor would ever prosecute. but then they raid mar-a-lago. joe biden has it in five places and they haven't even checked his rehobeth beach home. why didn't he get rated? why is their a double standard? >> sean, i don't know that it's a double standard so much that it's a two party justice system as you just laid out. democrats have been treated one way under the system of justice and republicans differently. hillary clinton and joe biden have been treated exactly the same with respect to donald trump, search warrants and raids against a president we were told that was by the book and following the law. but then with respect to biden and clinton we see exceptions to that. we see that people are above the law and treated differently. i think that was the intent here. what you saw and ment

remember, jim comey famously layed out what the law was or how the department of justice pursued it inast. does rob herr or jack smith coordinate on the law and whether or not each one of the folks should be pursued and president biden has the department of justice policy that you can't indict a sitting president and he has a statute of limitations that's probably currently running and may expire when he's president. stuart: could this turn out to be a tempest in a teapot, much to do about nothing? >> i don't spend a lot of time in washington dc but when i do i realize reality surrounds it but there's no reality in washington dc. it is all politics all the time, and it is a sport played with blunt strums and obviously this is a -- instruments and this is a way to bash each other leading candidate heading into 2024 and try to weaken them up and losen them from their base. stuart: it's quite possible the public voters are get tired of investigation after invest after invest. investigation fatigue could settle upon us. >> everywhere i go that's not washington dc, there's a serious concern

we heard all about it with jim comey talked about hillary clinton's mishandling of classified information. in this case, remember the distinction i think that's most important between the trump mar-a-lago case and the biden case in storing documents by his corvette is the president of the united states, donald trump could have declassified documents. that special counsel jack smith will have to consider whether or not the president declassified. in this case vice president biden had no authority to declassify the documents. they were classified at all times. >> julie: what do you think triggered the search? >> we're told the movement of president biden's office from the penn biden center to, i guess, his home office was why his lawyers were there in the first place cleaning out this closet where they found the first batch in a manila envelope marked personal. >> julie: personal is not classified. big difference. >> right. huge difference. i know. i handled classified information what the cover pages looked like. i didn't want to have it on my decks let alone have it at my office or home o

especially after hillary clinton, do you remember the july 2016 press conference jim comey, no reasonable prosecutor would ever prosecute, way more top secret classified information. never mind the deleted e-mails and destroyed devices with hammers and the removal of sim cards. what does that mean now, in terms of all those democrats who wanted donald trump arrested almost immediately? >> they have to eat their words. they've gotten away with so much for so long. this was discovered before the last election. just like the lap top. they think they can control the media, lie to the american public, shut down if one media company writes about it. they think they are above the law. why weren't they raided? why didn't he in "60 minutes" say, i understand that because i bet i have the same problem. did barack obama have some of this when he was writing his book? did hillary clinton? all those people have been in government for years. president trump just ran for president. do you think he moved his own boxes? do you know what? they were locked away. biden's were not. how many years after did he

when jim comey made the announcement they were recommending against charging hillary clinton, he made the following statement. typically classified information cases are not charged unless there's the presence of aggravating factor. in the case of joe biden, it does not appear to date, based on what we know, any factors are present. in the case of donald trump, it appears that all but the disloyalty to the united states is present. i would say based on what we know, prosecutors would view these very differently. >> do you think, because of the politics, would make it harder to end up making the big, very difficult decision to prosecute donald trump for mar-a-lago if there was also this issue involving joe biden out there? >> i do think it makes it harder. there will be people who are defenders of donald trump who will both sides this. they will say, you prosecuted donald trump but you gave joe biden a pass. again, facts are going to matter in terms of what the ultimate decision is here. one way they are being treated the same is both are under investigation. that, i think, means they

into details, just questions, about the behavior of the new york fbi office prior, of course, under jim comeybe questions about this individual or people associated with him participating in the mueller probe. >> he did. he was a part of that. >> i don't want sew suggest anything was wrong with the mueller probe, but, anyway, two categories of things not xrstri li criminal. we have to find this out. >>> a bit fight what other democrats will be on the committee. hakeem jeffries is pushes to be on the committee, shichiff, the ranking membered. mccarthy threatening to take them off. he has unilateral power with this committee to do that. is it worth the fight to the have him on the committee? >> poppy, two individuals concerned here adam schiff and eric swalwell together have 20 years experience overseeing the intelligence community. having done that a long time myself, that is a lot of expertise. they're now going to be victims of a political hit job. right? if you listen to why mccarthy says he's not going to allow them, says adam schiff lieds. that's just not true. i sat through him through a

jim comey laid out the four factors that would need to be present when he declined to prosecute -- bringrges against hillary clinton back in 2016, the intentionality of it, whether there were vast amounts of documents, potential disloyalty to the united states, he said, and finally evidence of obstruction, and so that will be part of this investigation as well. >> and so you touched on this as well, there's still so much we don't know about these documents and how they ended up in biden's home and office. how could that play a role in the severity of the case? >> well, unlike the trump mar-a-lago search warrant where that was really a year after he had left the white house, here we have six years since these documents were presumably removed. the question will be obviously who had access to them, were the documents moved? but an important one for those factors will be, were those documents accessed at any point in the last six years where people knew there were classified documents in an unsecure location and nevertheless left them there. >> and we know there are cases that are different

jim comey explained his when the fbi recommended no charges against hillary clinton before the 2016 electionng factors are willfulness, obstruction of justice, disloyalty to the united states. now, there's no evidence that donald trump showing disloyalty to the united states for these documents. but willfulness is present, obstruction of justice appears to be present. those things are completely lacking in the case of joe biden. based on what we know, it appears documents were perhaps negligently, we don't know what level of intent, found in that office. until we know more, it's irresponsible to compare the two. >> hugo, this is as the trump team trump is facing a lot incoming. we have a special grand jury in georgia, that trump inquiry has concluded its investigation. there's a hearing going to be held on january 24th to determine whether that will be made public, and what the grand jury is going to recommend. and of course, there's also the court weighing immunity for donald trump in a defamation case over the rape claim that e. jean carroll made. inside of trump world, are each of these t

the department of justice through bill barr, weaponized it to punish donald trump's enemies like jim comey and andrew mccabe, and reward donald trump's criminal associates like mike flynn and roger stone, prompting some assistant u.s. attorneys, including former colleagues of mine, to leave cases and leave the department altogether, because they wouldn't stand for the corruption of the department of justice. now, what mr. did during that time as he came to the department of justice and served as rob rosenstein's right-hand man, as the payback. the principal associate deputy attorney general. we like our titles long at the department of justice. thereafter, he was appointing u.s. attorney by donald trump to serve in the maryland u.s. attorney's office. this is someone who, for whatever reason, chose to associate himself with donald trump and bill barr's department of justice at a time when it was not making us proud. i think those are fair questions to ask when we look at this appointment and try to decide, will mr. hur do the job right down the middle, calling it the way he sees it,. witho

. >> look, i think the primary focus of attorney general garland as it was for jim comey was to be bend over backwards to be completely transparent. to do the right thing and be transparent and i think in this case with attorney general garland, not only was he trying to be transparent and do the right thing, what was in the public interest by having somebody impartial was to maybe put icing on the cake to ensure that there is no criticism. the reality is, you're not going to find in this environment somebody who is not going to be criticized. the question is, i think, whether or not the criticism is reasonable. and you're never going to be able to eliminate the unreasonable criticism. here you have somebody -- you mentioned in your opening, yeah, there's an awful lot of people qualified to do this. with the attorney general and what he has done is found one of those who is eminently qualified to do this and a little icing on the cake and by the way, you might be able to eliminate some of the criticism even some of the unreasonable criticism because he was somebody who served under the

jim jordan, judiciary. he'll be looking into the irs. i'm sorry, to the doj and the fbi, james comey, are looking into the biden family syndicate. these are all stories you have followed. anthony fauci, the origins of covid, the botched withdrawal out of afghanistan. how important are these investigations? because the media mob democrats, they want to dismiss them before they ever get started. yeah, they're hugely significant because real oversight is what this administration hasn't gotten is what congress has not done. and certainly the democrats in the senate are going to lift a finger to do anything that we've got to get the truth shown. this administration has lied to the american people about afghanistan and they have lied about the irs. they've lied now about joe biden and the classified documents. they've lied about what's going on at the border. they've lied, they've lied, they've lied. and it's time to get the truth and to give it to the american people. the people deserve the truth. they deserve to know what's actually happening in their government, not is constant lies, wh

. >> however, i think ultimatelye ,you know, this is going to get down to where jim comey was at with hillary clinton. is he going to come down to a applying the standard ofve them. the statute to the facts as weha have them? there's nothing innd the statute about locked garages, certainly. and there's reallyt lo nothingrt about whether or not you disclosed it as soon as you found it. >> i mean,bi joe bidende had tht four to your point, over six years. >> right. so, i mean, whether or not youei think this is an organized effort from within the democratic party to prevent biden from running again,, i' i think it's really clear thats it is . why d as to whynfuseto we don't know the details. why haven'wht they toly d us why they were searching six years later for these documents? latethese do like, what is this and why won't they tell us ? >> well, there's a lot of facts we don't know. if you remember famously in mar-a-lago case, they spread out the documents on the carpet, took a pictur thd sent that to the media, made sure that everyone saw the evidence. in this case, we don't knowt of

even jim comey announced that in july of 2016 and then ignored the whole issue of thirty three thousand deleted emails and devices, berries, blackberries, iphones bashed up with hammers and sim cards removed. sos s and we don't know what wee on those emails. but he said no prosecutothose ed ever prosecute.prosecut but then they raised mar-a-lago. then joe bidene. has it. and not one place, not two, not three , not four, but five . and they haven't even checked his reho and they haven't even checked his rehoboth beach home. why didn't he get raided? a >> why is there a double doubl standard wash on ? i don't know that it's a doublet standard. so it's much as it's a two party justice system, as you've just laid out. democrats have been treatedtreae one way under this system.d wa of justice and republicanse differently. hillary clinton and joe biden have been treated exactlysame the same with respect to donaldl trump. search warrants and raidsident against a president. thatht was by a bookfoll and , you know, following the law. but then with respect to bidenae and clinton, we see exception

inthink for anotheesr reason, theyainly hunter and jim comey and others are going to be obviously they're investigating that. but i think your essential question of are they trying to push him aside? himwho they really have? he can't turn it over to his vice president , who's led twenty one senior staffers. they don't even wantey to work c for her. we know she can't speak, doesn't do much work as itch wo. is with the people. socialists? tujudge, one of the socialist, tulsi gabbard, is now on this network. she said ho would e wanted the democrats. in other words, who would they turn n to ?'s also gavin newsom. so there i think that's also why the democrats are upset. they're sort of stuck with this guy and they've all been out there calling this ridiculou s talking point that joe bidenhad had a great midtermt only because joe biden wasn't tolowe.d to campaign in the midterms. >> so they're really they've stuck in oh, they have to keep at the top of the ticket and go for it. go for it. but i'll be real quick, pete. so i don't think it really matters very much in the long run. i think they'r

and jim comey gets up and says,e you we're not going, but of other course, we're not going to prosecute in this case. then you've got all these othe y ee of folks, a former civilian employee of the defense department. these were put together by jim garrity, spent three months in prison for bringing classified garrity,documents back to theire another one 18 months innt prison. and a ten thousand dollar fine for the crime of willfully retaining national defense information. another one got nine years inon a federal prison. o mar-a-lago, can you explain? that was the nine year nin, is >> why do the rules not pertain to the former president or to this president ? >> i will. i will answer your questionn. with a question. how do youho feew dol about thet that janene points out that this was the day before the midterms or something like that? the the purported proximityo fo makes it so relevant and so important. wh this election coming up or the candidacy of either of these gentlemen turnscrap? on negligenc on this, on negligence? they said you're not the president. this case was not. they w a

that's jim comey in july of 2016, the way the media and democrats are treating biden, the way donald trum wp is treated with the rate. is there a dual system of justice? i believe there is . >> well, i think there treat is certainly the the reality and the perception that theresy is a dual system. lookstem>>, i do not think hilly clinton should have been prosecuted. i don't think trump shoulde tion be prosecuted. thin don'te thinkpros biden shd be prosecuted. you don't think deletingk trum thirty five thousand emails like that was obstruction bleach? you ever hear of it? deleting 3 i never had. >> well, her claim was that they were personal emails and that she was not destroyin g classified material. that's in evidence. the word for iy wet. r word if comey had concluded that she had deliberately done all those things, i suspect he might have come to a different conclusion . but i wantcome to makey co one c point. why doesn't biden declassify? he has the power to declassify d every one of them and thereby we can know what was ind have the ukrainian briefing, what was in the china diff

we heard all about this fromllf jim comey on the mishandling of documents with hillary clinton's emailshillar. and i think that's that's whatt we're looking at, the obstruction of justice is ao whole different question and al. whole different analysis . but in this case, this wasfied a mishandling of of of classified information. is piece i know in my experience, i knew every one of those pieces ofat i classified information. i knew when they were on my desk. and i made sure i returned them to a skiff before i went home at night. i'd in this case thats joe biden just happened to have him in his garage with his corvette and librarian at the penn biden center. >> i onl>> i oy have 30 seconds, but i've lost faith in the department of justice. to youdepa think this special counsel will actually do that? their work will get to the bottom of whether it's trump or biden and treat everyone fairlyi ? yeah, i hope so.ope so i fee i mean, i feel like you do, which is there's a two tiered system of justice. i worked closely with robert, the department of justice. i have confidence in him i, but i want to

jim comey and andrew mccabe, 18 months apart. no time to look for their enforcement division to look into these potential crimes. what do you -- i mean, i know from being in the government, the conspiracies are sometimes unlikely. what do you make as a potential explanation for why no charges were brought from sdmy, enforcement action from the irs, what's a working theory for why there's been nothing? >> usually when you're a federal agency or federal prosecutor and somebody gift wraps a prosecution and hands it to you, you're real happy to open the presence. i think that makes the tax situation here difficult to understand but typically when prosecutors decide not to move forward in one of these high profile cases, they do it because they see a problem with the case. they believe that there's insufficient evidence to obtain a verdict, to convince a jury of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. maybe they think there's a legal component. it's very tough to assess these from the outside. i find it very easy particularly in this situati

they know the memos was known, it was recorded back in 2017 because it had a nexus to jim comey's explanation favorite press conference about hillary clinton email investigation. but these memos were doubted by american intelligence officials who they were full of things that were demonstrably wrong and american officials thought that maybe the russians had understood that that server had been hack and were deliberating planting disinformation in that trove to sow confusion and chaos in the west. but one of the george soros's aides saying something to debbie wasserman-schultz that hillary clinton had approved a plan to stir up a scandal to link trump to russia in the middle of 2016. and bernardo and debbie wasserman schultz said at the time that this came up in the early thing, in the comey era, they didn't even know each other let alone ever communicated about anything. but durham had decided he needed to prove that these were real. because this could be a basis to pivot towards the hillary clinton framed trump scenario. so he asked a judge in d.c., judge baerl howl for a 2703-d order, which

certainly whether or not trump caused the fbi -- you know, he fired jim comey.lot of people who are watching, the folks that investigated trump get fired. and that can't help but have had an impact on the willingness of law enforcement across the board to really look into things that trump was doing during his administration. >> i mean, tracy, this is so interesting. and our conversations always get right to this conversation about the toolkit available for combating domestic terror threats. i want to ask you to speak to some of pete's points. i mean, we know that christopher wray was able to clearly see the problem. he testifies in september of 2020 under oath before congress that by far the largest threat to the homeland is domestic violent extremism. and in that bucket by far the gravest threat is racially motivated white supremacists, domestic violent extremism. so we know the problem's been identified at the highest levels of the fbi. but when you look at the freedom with which the militia groups roamed washington, d.c. that day, you listen to the secret se

trump wanted to prosecute hillary clinton and jim comey and andy mccabe because they investigated himmitted crime. the only person who's clear on trump's criminal exposure in ther republican party is trump. and all the people who sought pardons knew they had criminal exposure. and we know that dead to rights. they've all testified to that from inside the halls of trump's west wing. where do you think doj is? >> well, i don't know, and i really share the frustration that's been expressed, both by members of congress. and we heard that from officer harry dunn, as well. because here we are, two years from january 6th and a lot of low-level people have been either charged or have pled guilty. but somebody directed that. and other people were responsible for that and the doj has an implication not to slow walk this, but to move it and i mean, you can't describe two years of not charging up the food chain as being just deliberative. the january 6th committee handed over on a silver platter exactly what the department of justice needs to move forward with an indictment. and i know that there

there is nowcame overwhelming pf that congressman james comey or jim jordan have available now to show that that's not a true story. not a crew story. if that is the joe biden hasn't given us an honest accounting. and if that's the case, whatha else is he hiding?? are i think in twenty , twenty three we're going to get an answer to a lot more ofmore those questions.f john solomon, great reporting. just the news.com. man. thank you. now, also tonight, we haveow more bad news for the bidene ba team as the white houseor is continuing to dodge key questions on biden's burgeoning classified document scandal new as a new poll from quinnipiac finds only thirty six percent of americans fro now approve ofv joe biden's job performance. a whopping 71% of the american people believe biden's perf documents. discovery is very serious, suggesting suggesting they believe an investigation is indeed warranted. and yet again,deed the white hoe call it, and yet anotherunde blunder originally claiming that the delaware house was used for official business while bidessn is away from washington. washnow they

tier system said congressman james comey, why wasn't this brought to light sooner, rick scott, president biden is being favored over president trump, says congressman jim jordan. well, they also said that they're going to investigate. the party will. and that they're going to do it themselves if they have to. that's republicans. but now ten days later, republicans find themselves in the same flas house that democrats did. thanks to the other most recent, vice president mike pence, many of those who up in arms of joe biden's document discovery are changing their discussion. >> we have an epidemic of senior leaders taking classified home and we have to say categorically, republican or democrat, it is all wrong. >> obviously there is a systemic problem in the executive branch. >> handling classified information to be to improved on. >> we have more on the classification and tracking system and what can be done to fix it. we're also going to drig into the tricky test that sets up for house oversight and what options republicans have from here, joining me now on the reporting, nbc news justice and intelligence correspondent ken dilanian, nbc news senior whi

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