jobs that are available are middle skilled jobs that require technical education, jim conners from citylege of san francisco is with us. she is department of chair for the administration of justice and fire sciences department and aubrey burris that completed course work in emt and paramedic school and with the berkeley fire department. thank you for being here. >> city college i spent a lot of time there so i'm happy to have you folks here. your department train students in different fields such as law enforcement. what are some of the other things. >> there is a focus for police officers and sheriffs. we also provide training in forensic identification careers. but also leads to other possibilities in federal government. we provide contacts that are independent in military or do some training or entry level work in law enforcement. the degree programs are really designed for initial entry jobs that don't require a four-year degree but we'll be able to get people involved in the work force. >> it's about two years? >> right and even though there are difficulties with cutbacks with gove