jim ryan, abc news, dallas. >> all right, so expectations may be low, but certainly the stakes are high. so joining us live to talk more about the debate and what to expect tonight is donna crane adjunct professor of political science at san jose state university. professor crane, nice to have you on. >> great to be with you. >> so why are the stakes so high ? >> oh, well, i mean, depending on who you ask, voters on both sides of the partizan divide will tell you that the future of democracy is at stake there. everything from the supreme court to the institutions that protect our government seems to be up for grabs. so uh- and there most of america has already decided who they like. there's just a few people in the middle who seem to be persuadable. so. so the whole race is going to hinge on what happens with those voters. and that's who both of these candidates are looking to speak directly to tonight. >> yeah, they may not be talking to us californians here or saying things that will get us excited. they're talking to those small pockets in wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, georgia, maybe hoping to get those persuadables in those swing states. all right, professor crane, qu