talks about how awful jim crow car is.he actually never rides the bus otherwise he would've chimed in on that one. [laughter] but he really prefers to drive he is a drivers license very, very early on and always owned a car. and then planes, people generally sort of would say that planes were the best. but the problem with planes was accommodations with the layover of increasing unlikely over time. it's on the ground can be on the ground question that that something i talk about in the book. >> i have a related question he partially entered a moment ago. i've always read about and heard people talk about the vertical integration on planes. somehow they may have to take a segregated bus to the airport, they face that once they are in the air, generally, whites and blacks sat next to each other or near each other always kind of puzzled me how people can be so hypersensitive make this special dispensation. i don't that's of the aeronautics and federal controlled airports and planes? i wonder what you think about that. >> i th

we are not in jim crow.ck americans to go out every single day to vote the way we should is a right we should have in which we have no way to do any of the above. thank you very much. >> we will turn to the panel of witnesses. think the members for attending we will come five members on the right to vote. introduce the majority witnesses then ask senator grassley to do the same. the first witnesses professor anderson charles professor of african-american studies chair of african-american studies at emory university in atlanta. her research focuses on public policy in the intersection of race and justice and equality in the united states. the author of multiple books including white rage and one person no vote. she is well known and the president director of council of the legal defense education fund the organization founded by thurgood marshall leading some of the most significant legal battles racial justice and equality. she first joined in 1988 took over the counselor in 2013 the honorable stacy abrams j

jim crow.ague, burgess owens who was alive to experience some of the remanence of jim crow laws. jim crow laws of course were put in place following the civil war by democrats to keep black americans from voting and getting elected as republicans. and this was happening with some regularity. they stopped that and democratic parties put in place jim grow laws in order to separate african-americans who are otherwise making progress in the south. i understand that is in the past, but you can't name something, you can't name a policy like george's election security law -- you can't call that jim crow without insulting those who actually endured jim crow policies. and also without owning up to the fact that these were in fact democratic party initiatives and i find it very troubling that that was the caption for this hearing. >> shannon: in the meantime, we have this derek chauvin trial playing out as we talked about. congresswoman maxine waters parking a lot of attention from comments she made over

jim crow was a response to that. white americans who didn't want black americans coming into power and who resented their votes as republicans and in fact did not want to have them the right to vote at all, notwithstanding the 15th moment had by then been ratified. it figured out a way to suppress them and once president rutherford hayes, through the compromise of 1877 over the withdrawal of federal troops from the south, paved the way for jim crow. jim crow policies restricted, unconstitutionally, the right of black americans to vote and restricted all kinds of other behaviors and put in place -- put in place by democratic governments in each of the states. it was an unfortunate era, one that lasted for roughly a century, to make sure black americans did not only not vote, but could not be elected. michael lancaster is the georgia state director of the frederick douglass foundation. in a recent washington times article, he stated "comparing absentee ballot changes and id requirements to banning black people from res

they can't just say that because it's the jim crow south. if you're sending black troops to texas or alabama or mississippi or louisiana you've got thing okay, are they going to fit into that society because with all the things we're willing to compromise to fight this war , that is one thing and will not compromise you can't just say we got 25,000 black troops, let's send them here it's the negotiation to the local chamber of commerce, local army commanders, like community that already exists there and leaders who want to have these guys trained up. so that's one of the issues at the army constantly faced in places like hattiesburg and it's this thing where black soldiers could ride in a taxiwith white soldiers . so the taxi companies are saying if i've got the capacity for four passengers, and i've got to black soldiers and two white soldiers and they both want to go to the same place, the city is like no, i'm sorry. we must have segregation so there's all these ways it's incredibly inconvenient to try to make war in a place like hattiesbu

jim crow thing.alking about when he is talking about jim crow? this is terrible. for him to make these comparisons and faulk about georgia in this way and not to make the point that morgan just made is not sick. it's reprehensible. it's terrible. it's part of his anti-southern bigotry which he has had for a long time. i will send him my history book. i won't charge him for it. i will send him my history book or anybody else's history book and harold ford didn't answer the question. i have a lot of respect for harold. he did not answer the question whether there was jim crow or not. it is not jim crow. certainly not jim crow on steroids. president biden, it is the united states of america. you are talking about. not some murderous regime. >> john: harold, do you want to pick up on that. >> look i said we are too quick to racialize things and i, maybe i'm not answering the question the way that the secretary wants me to answer it. but i will say expand access to the ballot, restore the oversight and if

jim crow laws and a jim crow state and when you hear these arguments well this should not be compared to jim crow during jim crow there were several race neutral at all nations for the legislative it seems that they made everything from from claiming that literacy tests were needed to ensure you had a educated voter voting groups poll tests and or need to short of property owners had a voice land only restrictions were needed because people who own land had a bigger vote to ensure they had a bigger voice in the community but what they really were intentionally created to prevent african-americans and other marginalized groups from voting there is that same thing that goes on with the voting restrictions where they are based upon the lie that donald trump told which is that they need that there was massive fraud and that they need to find him 12000 votes if the if these laws are able to effect one out of every 200 votes in the state of georgia that will come out to about $25000.00 votes so it's not about bull connor standing outside the dogs and holds as you just need to skim off one o

this makes jim crow look like jim eagle. this is gigantic. >> sean: joe, your state laws, delaware, far more restrictive. do you feel the unity yet? like i've been saying, voter i.d. is practical, it is necessary, it's a step to ensure that not only georgians, but residents of any states for that matter have confidence in their election results. we have an election integrity, that's a simple concept. by the way, do you know where else you need to show an idea, joe? you get the opportunity, you want to enter joe's white house, you need to show a picture i.d. to get in or else you are not getting it. you want to go to the capital, visit the people's house, you need a picture i.d. go to the democratic national convention? you need a picture i.d. get on an airplane, by the house, rent a house, by alcohol, six-packs, cigarettes, jewel l s , rent-a-car, purchase a gun, rent a hotel room, pick up a prescription, donate blood, purchase allegra d or alka-seltzer plus cold medicines, on and on and on, you need a picture i.d. is that a

during the jim crow era, black americans who want to devote were threatened, they were beat.es burned down. some even lost their lives. i georgia bill that expands voting opportunity, that says it is unlikely to affect turnout, s not jim crow. that is just factually obvious to anyone who has an understanding of history. not to mention the fact that 70% of black americans support voter i.d. which is what this georgia law is changing. it is so ridiculous, what he is saying. it is an absolute lie, and i'm glad that finally "the washington post" is calling him out. >> harris: marjorie, what is the president trying to say here? >> marjorie: well, he is trying to call out what known about the widespread and 43 states election laws that are happening, which will create very, very difficult barriers to voting for 190 million voters, and that is a fact of the legislation, so the difficult part of this is that those are disproportionately people of color. so the question is if you define jim crow by setting up laws that create barriers for people of color, that is what they are. it is

it's being called the new jim crow. >> this is racial voter suppression you've heard the words jim crow don't enjoy saying it but it is what it is. >> what we see is jim crow 2.0. let's call it what it is. it's embarrassing. it's sad. >> laura: has senator graham mentioned, you hear a lot of that, the new georgia law. it's like what existed in the old south every thought it's important to know what happened in the old south. what he jim crow laws actually look like. here's one. no colored barbara shall have service of barber to white women or girls. children why people exclusively or colored people exclusively. it should be unlawful for a white person to marry anyone except a white person. here toy and is utah congressman burgess owens. your data actually grew up in the jim crow south. when you hear the constant repetition of georgia is jim crow, you must have a pretty enraged response. >> my dad and my granddad and so did i. i was 16 years old when i had a chance to experience eating white americans. i grew up in the community that was segregated. proud community. i am sick and tired o

they called it the jim crow hearing. >> good morning. start with the chairman blasting the voter law in georgia. >> if our elections are secure these laws aren't about integrity. what is the problem that lawmakers in charge want to address with the new law? problem is obvious. too many voters are showing up. it seems republican lawmakers in georgia have concluded that the solution to their election problems is to make it harder to vote. >> that senate judiciary committee hearing is ongoing. burgess owens of utah and warnock of georgia. the latest assault on the right to vote. that set off the top republican on the judiciary panel. >> i'm a fan of history. i try to learn from it. i don't use it to insult my opponents. the title of this hearing is offensive and as a student of history this title diminishes the very real challenges and unfairness that minorities endured in the jim crow south. >> georgia democrat stacey abrams is due to testify remotely and expected to speak in favor of congress passing a bill known as the voting rights adva

jim crow on steroids which is historically illiterate. kevin, i understand you probably don't support the law but shouldn't president biden not lie about the law? he was last week in a press conference making statements about what was in the legislation involving what he said was curtailing of voting hours on voting day to target workers and it turned out that was absolutely false, fact checked by the washington post, for pinocchio's and yesterday he came back out and said the same complete law again trying to bring the whole thing as jim crow or worse, shouldn't he at least tell the truth in his criticisms? >> i think we all need to tell the truth. if it's a wrong statement, it's a wrong statement but let's have a debate about voter process not just in georgia but across the u.s. and beverly's points in terms of boycotts, as well within the corporations duty to their shareholders and the people they serve they want to express themselves in this way, that is a conservative argument and it worked and state we saw that past anti- lgbt laws

this makes jim crow look like jim eagle. i mean, this is gigantic. >> sean: joe, your state laws, delaware, far more restrictive. do you feel the unity yet? voter i.d. is practical. it is necessary. it is a step to ensure that not only georgians, residents of any state for that matter have confidence in their election results. now, we have election integrity. that is a simple concept. by the way, do you know where else you need to show an i.d., joe? if any american, you get an opportunity, you want to enter joe's bright house, you need to show a picture i.d. to get in or else you are not getting it. want to go to the capital, visit the people's house or visit your congressman or woman? you need an i.d. go to the democratic national convention, you need a picture i.d., get on an airplane, buy a house, buy alcohol, six-pack, cigarettes. apply for food stamps, apply for a job, apply for welfare programs, medicare, medicaid, unemployment, drive-by, rent-a-car, purchase a gun, adopt a pet, rent a hotel room, pick up a prescriptio

so yes, what is happening now is not jim crow literally. but the historical parallels, well, they're p pretty illuminating nonetheless. as jamel bowie points out in the "new york times" a lot of people had misconceptions about the voting laws during jim crow. the laws that disenfranchised black americans in the south and established jim crow did not actually say they were disenfranchising black americans and cathy a one-party racist state. it's true. when we think about jimon crow, this is what springs to mind.pr we usually think of these images, right? segregated water fountains and bathrooms that said whatgr they were doing explicitly. whites only. restaurants and businesses. segregation that was clear and obvious on its face. voting laws, however, did not workdi that way. this is really important to remember.mb right? because we had the 15th amendment. the right to vote enshrined in it. paid with the blood of hundreds of thousands of union soldiers and freed slaves. right? so it was illegal and unconstitutional in the constitution to den

how is that jim crow 2.0? >> former major league baseball commissioner saying baseball's decision to move the all-star game out of georgia was a mistake. he wrote in the "wall street journal." major league baseball can't become a weapon in the culture wars, a hostage for one political party or ideology. that three day event and as much as $100 million will now go to colorado coors field. harris, back to you. >> harris: steve, thank you very much. senator lindsey graham is calling out president biden for using incendiary and divisive language about the new georgia voting law. watch. >> they are calling all of us racist because we won't give in to this power grab. they play the race card morning, noon, and night. i am tired of it. i think it's cheap. i think it's sick for the president of the united states, joe biden, who has been a friend for years, to say that what they are doing in georgia is jim crow 2.0. some of you got families that lifted jim crow. -- lived through jim crow. >> harris: senator john kenned

jim crow does not exist in georgia. jim crow does not exist anywhere in this country. you don't have german shepherd chasing people in the streets. what he has done is devalue the civil rights movement by calling the georgia law, which is much more expensive in delaware, which is much more expensive in new york. calling the georgia law jim crow on steroids. i'm a black eye. i got a voter i.d. i got a driver's license. it's not hard for minorities to get a photo i.d. because you want election integrity. so what they are doing, sean, is they are playing the race card and using the race card and weaponize in jim crow. it scares people. and i will use a page from donald trump's playbook. we have to fight back. we have to call joe biden and stacey abrams for what they are, liars. see this i.d. card? it's easy. all you do, in georgia, you don't have one. they will give you one. so, joe biden owes this nation an apology for devaluing those people who really went through hell and the civil rights movement in the 50s and 60s. >> sean: are you think about running for governor in

to speak of these new jim crow laws are antithetical to who we are.of georgia, the people who need the help the most, the people who are making hourly wages sometimes get hurt the most. >> harris: you're watching "outnumbered," i am harris faulkner here today. cohost emily compagno and kayleigh mcenany. fox nation hope of "no interruption" tomi lahren. joining us today, fox news contributor and civil rights attorney leo terrel. great to see everybody. it got heated with senator kennedy last hour. we had a real conversation about race and i wonder if democrats and the president and others are really listening and watching what is being said. they are dropping that r word like it's candy. >> leo: thanks for having me, kayleigh. glad you are a member of the team of "outnumbered." i am very intimidated here because this is a super eight team right here but i saw your interview, i saw your interview with senator kennedy and i told you come a spot on. let me be clear, i spent 30 years of my life as a civil rights attorney. there is no systemic discriminatio

my gosh, jim crow.ust her even though a grotesque misrepresentation of the actual content of the law and what they include so boycotts role in whether it's major league all-star game or other companies under pressure she says we said jim crow but don't go that far because it can hurt the people in my state and city and i want to run for governor here next year so i don't want to harm the people in this state. sorry, when you go nuclear and talk about worse than jim crow which is what the president said, people are going to respond and will harm and inflict economic consequences on the state and the people directly responsible for those consequences and harms are democrats who have lied excessively and extensively about this law. >> that's absolutely true and everybody including the people pushing for it. coming up next, show me your papers. governor desantis said the passport. ♪♪ >> is something that has huge privacy implication. we're not going to have you provide proof of this just to be able to live

my gosh, jim crow.her even though a grotesque misrepresentation of the actual content of the law and what they include so boycotts role in whether it's major league all-star game or other companies under pressure she says we said jim crow but don't go that far because it can hurt the people in my state and city and i want to run for governor here next year so i don't want to harm the people in this state. sorry, when you go nuclear and talk about worse than jim crow which is what the president said, people are going to respond and will harm and inflict economic consequences on the state and the people directly responsible for those consequences and harms are democrats who have lied excessively and extensively about this law. >> that's absolutely true and everybody including the people pushing for it. coming up next, show me your papers. governor desantis said the passport. ♪♪ >> is something that has huge privacy implication. we're not going to have you provide proof of this just to be able to live your

party of jim crow. the democrat party has used minorities in particular black people from its very inception in horrific ways, joe biden in his career has been one of the leading demagogues on propaganda with race. he praised robert byrd. he was minority leader than majority leader of senate by democrats, he was in west virginia, west virginia broke away from virginia during around the civil war, most of the west virginia -- were supporting the union. robert byrd was founding a movement went west virginia. for the klan. the republicans don't do this. joe biden of the one of his biggest supporters, he took a liking to joe biden. joe biden said. cure his -- during his momental service, he said we lost dean of u.s. senate and state of west virginia lost its most fierce advocate. z i said, i lost dear friend. now joe biden as president of united states is ruing race again. republican legislators are trying to take back the electoral systems that democrat lawyers, democrat judges, democrat governors and demo

jim crow is shameful.ning us is newt gingrich, former house speaker, fox news contributor, the guy knows georgia, your reaction to president biden's reversal and calling this jim crow dating back to 1870. how could he equate this? >> because he lies, not complicated. i got so incensed. i've done two podcasts laying out this whole story. stacy abrams is making a lot of money out of this stuff. the jim crow 2.oh website two weeks before the bill was passed, they were setting this game up. i don't know how she got the president of the united states to talk about jim crow 2.oh but that is what they are doing, biden not only lied about the georgia law but the washington post very seldom taking on a liberal democrat gave him four. tokyos which is the most you can get saying everything he said about the georgia law was a lie and after that he went on espn and repeated precisely the lies the washington post just do so. this is not a new thing was one of the podcasts i did takes you back to robert bork when he was

it is being called the new jim crow. here's cnn's joe johns. >> jim crow is making a comeback. black faced character from shows that dime symbolize second class citizenship for millions of america. ♪ >> jim crow is also the name used to describe unequal racial segregation rules that banned black people from eating at white owned restaurants, staying in white owned hotels, and fully participating in the election process. now as hundreds of new proposals to scale back voter participation, the parallels with the past are inescapable. elizabeth johnson writes, in jail 61 years ago as a college student at virginia union university. she and 33 other students were locked up for a sit-in at a local department store. the alleged crime, trespassing at a whites only lunch counter in richmond. >> if you wanted a meal, you had to go into the alley, to the door, and let them serve it to you through the door in the alley. >> virginia like many states had strict voting rules with poll taxes and literacy. at a. while others had an eight box rule requiring separate boxes and separate ballots. sl

law is jim crow on steroids.people to show their identity before they vote is worse than segregation and lynching. it's startling german shepherds on steroids. it got to wonder how long our leaders can keep saying things like this, reckless things like this, before they really cause society to fall apart. it joe biden seems to be determined to find out. one thing biden doesn't seem interested in is his own home state, delaware. unlike georgia, delaware has never permitted mass early voting, apparently, delaware is a white's premises state. about 80% of georgia voters cast their ballots early last fall. in delaware, that number was 29%. why is it that voter suppression? is because celebrates a one-party state working for the democrats. not going to change appear to georgia, by contrast, is a swing state. in the estimated shannon of joe biden, is worth using racially divisive lies. according to joe biden's real problem with the new election law is that it could cause dangerous dehydration. the one i'm worried about

law is jim crow on steroids.people to show their identity before they vote is worse than segregation and lynching. it's bull conner and fire hoses and snarling german shepherds on steroids. have you got to wonder how long our leaders can keep staying reckless things like this before they really cause the society to fall apart? joe biden seems determined to find out. one thing biden doesn't seem very interested in is his own home state, delaware. unlike georgia, delaware has never permitted mass early voting. apparently delaware is a white supremacist state. about 80% of georgia voters cast their ballots early last fall. in delaware that number was 29%. so why isn't that voter suppression? why isn't it racism? well, because delaware is a one-party state controlled by the democrats. it's working for them. they are not going to change it. georgia, by contrast is, a swing state so, in the stems of joe biden it is worth using racially divisive lies to win it for his party permanently. according to joe biden the real p

we hear a lot about jim crow laws and the history of this. i'm concerned the most agree just and largest example of jim crowe is gun-control laws. gun-control laws were put upon us by the democrats, sorry to say it, but to keep black people unarmed so they could come into places like rosewood in florida and massacre us, drive through our communities and massacre us, and i'm glad to see president biden has now reputed jim crow, and as a result, i expect he will speak more on gun rights as black people to protect our communities. have a good day. host: tony in fort lauderdale there. houston, texas, this is joseph. caller: good morning, pedro. i have two comments. one, is the military dumping into the police force causing a copycat behavior for the citizens of this country? that is my question. host: when you say military dumping into police force, what do you mean? guest: we train the military to kill, to defend our country, and my concern is, we are semi-at peace, so what do we do with them? they seemed pretty aggressive when they do their pol

jim crowe was alive and well. fast forward, 64 years, we have a new wrath of voter suppression laws springing up across the country and the flagship of the american right is now chastising anyone who would dare make the comparison to rich crowe. anyone using the jim crow charge as a political weapon should hang his head in shame. now to concede the obvious point here. i will readily concede it, the attack you are seeing on voting viets not exactly the same. in a jim crow area the south was a totalitarian, one-party state backed by consistent vigilante violence and many of the law wes have now were not yet on the books. there was a different supreme court and understanding the supreme court president. so, yes, what is happening now is not jim crow literally. but the historical parallels, well, they're pretty illuminating nonetheless. in the "new york times", they point out a lot of people had misconceptions. the laws that disenfranchised black americans in the south and established jim crow did not actually say the

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. >> so i'm convinced that we'll stop this because it is the most pernicious thing -- this makes jim crowk like jim eagle. >> the senate judiciary and rules committees have started their work responding to the concerted nationwide attack on votes rights of millions of americans that we haven't seen since the era of jim crow. >> it's the redux of jim crow in a suit and tie. >> martha: joining me now, dr. ben carson, former hud secretary. good to have you with us today. what is your reaction to rich's piece and the sound bites you just heard? >> rich lawry is right on target. it's very sad that the leader of the free world would be involved in disseminating information that is up true. i wonder if these people understand the history. do they know what jim crow laws actually were? they were a mechanism to diminish the rights that many blacks had gained during reconstruction and the enforce segregation. the things that people went through in hose days were horrendous. to compare that with senate bill 202, which actually expands rights. you know i find it rather funny that the ceo of delta and

laws are just antithetical to who we are. >> brian: jim crow laws. he knows better. of course he is still peddling the same defamatory sphere that georgia is resurrecting jim crow, it's shameful. running is this newt gingrich, former house speaker and fox news contributor. the guy knows georgia. your reaction to president biden's reversal on the way he calls it jim crow-esque. how can he equate the two? >> because he lies. it's not complicated. i got so incensed. i've done two podcasts laying out this whole story. stacey abrams was making a lot of money out of this stuff, she thought the jim crow 2.0 website two weeks before the bill was passed. they were setting this whole game. i don't know how she got the president of the united states to talk about jim crow 2.0 but he did. you see a linkage. by not only lied about the georgia law. "the washington post," very seldom taking on a liberal democrat, give him four pinocchios, the most you can get. basically saying everything he said about the georgia law was a lie and after that he went on espn and rep

party was jim crow and that not any god-fearing republican voted for jim crow and the jim crow throughout done by democrat legislators and the people who were beating up john lewis and pummeling him on the bridge in selma were all democrats. in my state we have a proud history william worley was a black republican founder of the naacp and he fought the first case all the way to the supreme court to get rid of desegregation the came from democrats. i will tell you, i for one am sick of tired of democrats and they need to apologize for their history and they need to apologize for forcing jim crow on the country and they need to read the bill in georgia and realized that it has nothing to do with keeping people from voting. >> words matter, should joe biden apologize and he was among the first to come out and say these are jim crow laws in georgia? >> he should apologize not only for mischaracterizing it but outline about the bill. delta on coca-cola and major league baseball need to realize that if i have the country israel began and we are not very happy with them right now. if they don't

but it also came to me in the ability to avoid the indignity of the jim crow bus and the jim crow railroad car. and here is a jim crow bus in the first half of the twentieth century. behavior and etiquette for african americans was prescribed by geography and by custom if you were from a particular place, you knew what the rules were. the rules changed from place to place throughout the united states states each state had its own rules each community had its own expected etiquette. emmett till didn't know the rules of racial etiquette for example. particular driving etiquette was also expected. african-american's face segregation in most aspects of public travel and accommodation in the south where it was overt but in the north it was dictated by customs. so it was de facto segregation of buses taxis trains hotels restaurants beaches and just about any place that people gathered and this is a jim crow railroad car insulting humiliating filthy as well as dependent on timetables. although they were only supposed to run in the south many of them ran in the north as well and african americans

was jim crow, that not any god-fearing republican voted for jim crow, that jim crow throughout the southas done by democrat legislators, that the people who were beating up john lewis on the bridge in selma were all democrats. in my state, we have a proud history, william morally was a black republican, founder of the naacp, he fought the first case to the supreme court to get rid of forced segregation that came from democrats. i'm for one sick and tired of democrats, they need to apologize for their history and foisting jim crow on the country and they need to read the bill in georgia and a realize it has nothing to do with voting. maria: should joe biden apologize. >> he should apologize for mischaracterizing and lying about the bill. half the country is republicans and we're not very happy with them right now. if they don't want republicans at the baseball games, don't want us to tune into their baseball games on television, keep behaving this way. this is terrible. i've always been a baseball fan. i grew up playing baseball, still play in the congressional baseball charity game. peop

is somehow jim crow -- it's a bridge too far for a great number of americans.ell you, i talked to people in my barbershop, they all rolled their eyes when they hear things that someone click this. politicians can say it, it sounds catchy. when you get down and talk to people, a lot of people don't buy that argument. >> shannon: the barbershop is one of the great places to have conversation about things going on in the world. as sometimes you will find some solutions. kevin, thank you. former football star herschel walker is not running for senate in his home state of georgia yet, but he's got some advice for corporations and credit, critics of the new election reform law. >> these companies have been talking so much that -- why don't they have herschel walker to help these people who don't have an i.d. to get the idea? what do we have to do to get buses, get other things, fill out paperwork, help them get an i.d., and not keep complaining about it. >> shannon: bringing tonight penalty talk about all things georgia. we can't republican candidate barnett, and exe

era, it also reminds us, reminds all of us, or certainly should, of what jim crow was and how and when it happened and under whose leadership. we have to remember that it was in fact republicans who pushed through the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments of the constitution following the civil war. 13th amendment getting rid of slavery. 14th amendment guaranteeing all americans including black americans and including black americans who had been slaved and who had not, equal protections under the law, and including the 15th amendment guaranteeing black americans the right to vote. these had a significant effect. they were enacted with great opposition coming from the democratic party. we got them through. the 15th amendment was the last of the three to be ratified, it was ratified march 30, 1870. 1870 was a big turning point for civil rights in america. for black americans. it was in 1870 we saw the very first member of congress, a gentleman by the name of joseph rainey, who was elected to the house of representatives in 1870678 the same year the first black american was elected to the unit

before you invoke the phrase of old which is worse than jim crow. jim porro on steroids which is historically illiterate. so kevin i want to come to you. i understand you probably do not support the law, but shouldn't president biden not lie about the law? he was last week in a press conference making statements about what was in this legislation involving what he said was curtailing boating hours on voting day to target workers. it turned out that was absolute false he was fact checked by the washington post governor christie mention it for pinocchio's. and then yesterday he came out and said the exact same complete lie again will trying to frame the whole thing is jim crow or worse. shouldn't he at least tell the truth in his criticisms? >> and think we all need to tell the truth if it's the wrong statements the wrong statement by president biden but i am with you let's have a debate about voter process not just in georgia but across the united states. to beverly's points made some excellent ones in terms of a boycott, it is well within these corp