data center, jim cunningham was my boss in kabul -- >> by senator, jim cunningham was my boss. i will let him answer. >> it is impossible to say. they are both challenging positions and challenging times. certainly being ambassador to pakistan, a country that is so large and has so many problems has got to be a really significant challenge, but my task in a country that is at war and where we are fighting along with our afghan and international partners is a challenge of -- i do not think you can rent them, but it is a challenge of a different order. >> several years ago, we embarked on something called the hobart doctrine. as we talk with people in both countries, but especially pakistan, i think pakistan feud that whole approach to be very offensive. looking at pakistan or looking at pakistan through the eyes of afghanistan was pretty offensive, i think, to the folks in pakistan. we really do not have a relationship in pakistan. or a long-term relationship. it is more of a transaction relationship, almost a pay to play kind of relationship. it has been that way for a long, lo

data center, jim cunningham was my boss in kabul -- >> by senator, jim cunningham was my boss. i will let him answer. >> it is impossible to say. they are both challenging positions and challenging times. certainly being ambassador to pakistan, a country that is so large and has so many problems has got to be a really significant challenge, but my task in a country that is at war and where we are fighting along with our afghan and international partners is a challenge of -- i do not think you can rent them, but it is a challenge of a different order. >> several years ago, we embarked on something called the hobart doctrine. as we talk with people in both countries, but especially pakistan, i think pakistan feud that whole approach to be very offensive. looking at pakistan or looking at pakistan through the eyes of afghanistan was pretty offensive, i think to the folks in pakistan. we really do not have a relationship in pakistan. or a long-term relationship. it is more of a transaction relationship, almost a pay to play kind of relationship. it has been that way for a long, lon

>> jim cunningham is my boss. i will let him answer. [laughter] >> it is impossible to say. they are both challenging positions in the challenging times. being ambassador to pakistan, a country that is so large and has so many problems, has got to be a really significant challenge, but my task, in a country that is at war and where we are fighting along with our afghan and international partners -- that is a challenge -- i do not think you can rank them, but it is a challenge of a different order. >> several years ago, we embarked on something -- the holbrook doctrine. pakistan he is that whole approach to be very offensive. looking debt pakistan through the eyes of the afghanistan -- it is pretty offensive to the people in pakistan. we really do not have the relationship -- a long-term relationship. it is more of a transactional relationship. it has been that way for a long time. mr. olsen -- as we deal with a country that basically the military controls and elected leaders are not particularly effective -- how do we, as members of congress, it is really the american taxpay