jim demint speaking at 12:30 p.m. then, we hear from president obama in cleveland, he is making a major speech on the economy. we will have that for you at 1:45 p.m. also, we will take you to the second part of the senate foreign relations committee hearing on the law of the sea treaty. they have been looking at the issue. that will be on c-span3. the afternoon session will be on c-span at 2:30 p.m. among those testifying will be former secretary of defense donald runs fell. -- donald rahmumsfeld. senator ben cardin -- they are about to dabble in to look at medicare payments to physicians peer representative storm by different organizations are there. it is about to get underway. the chairmen, senator max baucus. >> alright. it is on. ok. thomas edison once said, to have a great idea, have a lot of them. [laughter] today we hauled our second round table on medicare physician payments. the payment system medicare currently uses is broken. there are a lot of ideas about how to fix it. we know that th-- this causes senio

we have senator jim demint, a fine republican from the state of south carolina.cial role in this state. senator good to you have. your thoughts on this state and what happens tomorrow and how crucial it is to republicans. what do you make of this? >>guest: well, it is probably the most important thing going on right up to this year's election because governments set up to serve the people not the other way around and so government workers shouldn't have monopoly bargaining power to jack up their benefits at the expense of the taxpayer so i think the governor, governor walker and the republicans in the legislature have been a model of the vision and the courage that other politicians at the local, state, and federal level need to have to get control of our spending and balance our budget. >>neil: what if they don't? if that doesn't happen and he lose tomorrow? >>guest: it will be crushing because a lot of other governors will look in and say, okay, if we stand up to the government unions we are going to lose our power, it will be a bad signal. but i trust the peop

but one of the things that he shows is jim demint talking to jam jamie dimon, he said israeli correspondent chastise you for losing $1 billion, we lose that amount of money in washington every day. does mr. demint think that spending money is just the same as losing money? he mocks demint and he says, yesterday, this is supposedly demint. yesterday i had $4 million and now all i see is a freaking highway. where's my money? where's my money? that i think so clearly describes what, first of all the sense that somehow it isn't the people's money, whatsoever. and this idea that spending is really a way of losing money in this country. two visions, two paths, that's what the president is talking about. and i want to tell you that i am proud once again to be a co-chair of the president's re-election campaign, i have known barack obama, i'm from chicago for the last 17 years and he's talking about investment in education, and energy and innovation and infrastructure and doing fair tax reform. and is the republican plan for job creation, more tax cuts for the rich, more deregulation of everything,

but jim demint repuget soundingen at the hearing that congress loses twice that amount every day.ar recall from honda. the automaker pulling back about 50,000 civics for this year's model for drive shaft problems that could cause the car to lose power. the airlines hit hitting more trouble can must merz. they are i saying that customer satisfaction is down from last year. the fees for checked bags continuing to tick off a lot of folk flying. >>> that is business. i'm he neil cavuto. -- i'm neil cavuto. [ dog ] i am a pro baller. 11 years playing the outfield, and i got no plans to retire. [ female announcer ] aging may slow a dog down, but iams helps keep dogs playing year after year with our age-specific nutrition. and now, even for dogs 11 and older with new iams senior plus. it helps boost the immune response to that of an adult dog and helps fight signs of aging. [ dog ] i'll never be a bench-warmer. [ female announcer ] new iams senior plus. see the iams difference or your money back. [ dog ] i am an iams dog for life. >>> you'd agree we have all hidden things for safekeeping

but one of the things that he shows is jim demint talking to jamie dimon saying that, you know, i reallyan't chastise you for losing $2 billion, because here in washington, we lose twice that much every single day. so it comes back to jon stewart and he says, does senator demint really think the spending money is just the same as losing money? and then he says -- he mocks demint and he says, yesterday -- this is supposedly demint -- yesterday i had $4 million withand now all i see is a freaking highway. where's my money?! where's my money?! that, i think, so clearly describes what, first of all, the sense that somehow it isn't the people's money, whatsoever. and this idea that spending is really a way of losing money in this country. two visions, two paths. that's what the president is talking about. and i want to tell you that i am proud, once again, to be a co-chair of the president's re-election campaign. i have known barack obama, i'm from chicago, for the last 17 years. and he's talking about investment in education, in energy, in innovation, in infrastructure, and in doing fair tax

one comes from myself and senator jim demint. i've been proposing a new concept. sort of a 21st century solution how to we find transportation amounted em poubers states, allow them to keep the excise tax and spend it on projects they see best fit and not sending all the money to washington and threat be dealt out. totally different concepts but a lot's got to happen in the next few weeks winchts is your concept better? >> allows states, empowers the states. give us a chance to govern. an opportunity in 2010 to govern and we will change the way things are operating in washington. we'll even send some of it back to the states, and this is one of those concepts you could really do that with, because it was a temporary proposal in the 1950s when it was intended to be for 15, 16 years. temporary tax to build out the interstate system, and since then that tax has only ballooned, and now 18.4 cents per gallon that every american pays when they go to the gas pumps. that money comes up to the federal government and it's -- divvied out back to the states, and take georgia,

came here after spending a decade on capitol hill as legislative director to then representative jim demint and as an aide to representative sue mirak and began her career on the staff of the late jesse helms. she'll be talking about the implications of obama care being upheld. next on the panel will be jennifer marshall, heritage's director of domestic policy study and who also serves as head of our richard and helen devoss center for religion and family society where they look at what role they play in society in public policy. she also oversees fami familyfacts.org. she will be speaking on the challenges to the rights of conscious which arise from obama care and in particular looking at hhs mandate and the impact of obama care being upheld on that particular policy. turning to my presentation, i would like to begin by saying i agree with attorney general abbott that yesterday's decision has certain silver linings. i fear they surround a dark cloud. let's start with the positive at least. first of all, the commerce clause. we received five votes from the court limiting congress's authorit

senator jim demint and myself and jim jordan have a long list of senators and house members on a joint letter urging all to governors from all 50 legislatures, don't spend anymore money putting these help exchanges in. we are going to repeal all of us and address the true problem in health care, which is cost see one that is very interesting. what the governor follows this, then the supreme court ruling may not be very as impactful as we thought. >> i'm actually not doing anything until november. >> they don't have to. the governors don't have to put exchanges in. because they have until 2014 to put them in place. right now, there is a very high strong probability that president obama will not have a second term. therefore, we should not implement obamacare. we don't have to. we don't have to until 2014. that is why jim demint, myself, and jim jordan in the congress, together with bob mcdonald and the republican governors are saying the same thing. that is stop limiting obamacare in your state. because when mitt romney is president of the united states and we have a republican house an

we appreciate your -- senator jim demint, and ladies and gentlemen. we appreciate your leadership. help is on the way. you will have a lot more friends very soon in the u.s. senate. i name is ralph. i am the chairman of the faith and freedom coalition. it is my great honor to welcome our keynote speaker. how many conferences do you get to go to war in the first 45 minutes you get to hear from portman, jim demint, and center senator marmarco rubio? he is one of the most transformational figures. in a very short time. marco rubio is the son of cuban exile whose life is truly a living, breathing embodiment of the american dream. he represents everything he stands for and all that he has done. the fact that america plays a unique and exceptional role in the history of our planet. when he ran for the u.s. senate in 2009 when very few people gave them a chance, his candidacy captured the imagination of the florida electorate. he was putting forward a plan to restore the promise of this nation. his parents came here in 1956. he grew up of florida. he graduated from the university of flori

you heard jim demint invoking the republican line of too much government spending.after those long held and long cherished officials. >> what's the take away? what did we get? >> reporter: there is a series of things that are being written. we all remember that banking reformed was passed. that's not exact lip how it w e. what's going on right now is we take customer money, deposits like yours and mine are allowed to make big risky bets with it and whether the kind of bet that jpmorgan made would have been allowed under the new laws. they are still fine tuning the language. that's why this is so important right now because this law isn't done yet. >> the law isn't done yet. part of this discussion went to bigger picture of the economy. you had jamie dimon saying the economy is on a cliff. can you give a little context why is he talking about that and what really is the chance of that happening in an election year? >> reporter: went back to his former role of economic wise man. he's talking about this fiscal cliff where you have a bunch of tax cuts expiring and autom

even jim demint who's sort of a tea party standard bearer, was an abstract conceptional sense, they'recompletely opposed to it. i think the two messages that you saw in the president's statement are the two messages democrats are going to -- what is good about this bill, the content of it and to hit the parts of the bill that are actual popular even if the bill isn't. let's not relitigate the past. i do not think voters want to see the romney campaign turn litigating obama care into the main message between now and the election. >> we have eric cantorç alread scheduling a vote in the house. but we'll replay what mitch mcconnell said. let me plays it here. >> the president of the united states promised up and down that this bill was not a tax. this is one of the democrats top selling points. because they knew it would never have passed if they said it was a tax. well, the supreme court has spoken. this law is a tax. the bill was sold to the american people on a deception. >> michael, is that an adequate come back? this was sold on deception and now it is about whether it is a tax or no

tea party senator jim demint even said quote, i urge every governor to stop implementing the health care exchanges that would help implement the harmful effects of this misguided law. now, this is stunning. he's urging them to ignore the law. and what's worse, some of them are listening. after the ruling, governor scott walker said quote, wisconsin will not take any action to implement obama care.ç louisiana governor bobby jindal said quote, we're not going to start implementing obama care. and kansas governor sam brownback said he'll wait and see what happens in november. saying it's about thisalse presidential race whether or not you want to implement it. the american people can't afford to wait and see. they already know what solution republicans are offering. nothing. joining me now are two of msnbc weekend warriors. melissa harris-perry, host of "melissa harris-perry" and chris haynes host of "up with chris haynes." thank you very joining me tonight. >> always a pleasure. >> chris, let me start with you. the choice to me seems clear. how can republicans justify putting politics ahe

remember, jim demint told us that, and the the idea that he was going to live to fight another battlethis battle, chris, and that it was john rober who did it to them was just too much to bear. how do you spike the football if you think that oh, yeah, no u n now sick people are going to be thrown off insurance. yay! go america. the only thing that's really exciting is that they were going to deal the president what they thought would be a mortal blow. you guys covered it really well. this is a huge victory for this president. it would have been a disaster to have it overturned and he goes out competent with kind of an amazing record of achievement in thisç first term. >> before you tell us what we're going to do, somebody once said before you tell me what you're going to do, tell me what you've done. just for the fun of it, let's watch. this is what it would have looked like for days if this would have gone down. thinking that the bill has been struck down by the court. just a clip. >> yes! yes! >> speak! >> oh, thank god! they took it away. yes! yes! >> wow. that's what it will look

this is senator jim demint of south carolina. >> thank you, mr. jamie dimon. i appreciate you voluntarily coming in to talk with us. it is important to talk about things happening in the industry. i think it will advise us, help us as we look forward and hopefully it will contribute to best practice scenario in the industry and i appreciate your of assists and continuous quality improvement. we can hardly sit in judgment of your losing $2 billion. we lose twice that every day here in washington. plan to continue to do that every day. it is comforting to know even with the $2 billion loss in a trade last year, your company i think still had a $19 billion profit. during the same time, we lost over $1 trillion. so if we had a clawback provision, none of us would be getting paid. the intent today is really not to sit in judgment, but maybe to understand better what happened. >> jamie dimon's one of them did not come as a surprise to many on capitol hill. j.p. morgan's as $7.6 million on lobbying last year. according to the watchdog group open secrets, he has a lon

first up, jon stewart took on senate banking committee member jim demint yesterday.ake a look at this. >> they didn't just haul jamie dimon in to tell him how good he is and huge he is. they also brought him in to talk about how terrible they, the senate are. >> we can hardly sit in judgment of your losing $2 billion. we lose twice that every day here in washington. >> did senator demint think that spending money is the same as losing money? i had $10 million yesterday and now all i see is this [ bleep ] highway. i don't understand. where's my money? we're going to have to dig this up and find my money. >> stewart's right. there's a big difference between building something and blowing it. >>> next, mitt romney just can't shake the dog on the roof story. romney's on a bus tour through new hampshire. guess who's with him? the romney mobile with a fake dog strapped to the roof. you can see it there. >>> in michigan two democratic female state legislators were banned from speaking on the state house floor this week. one seemingly for referring to her vagina over an anti

and senator jim demint of south carolina wanted farmers to be able to opt out of paying for nationalions like got milk and the incredible edible egg. but that also failed. so it looks like the next promotion is somewhere in the pipeline. shep? >> shepard: trace gallagher in los angeles this afternoon. thanks. politics now fight for the battleground states. president obama launching new ads against governor mitt romney. they are both about to speak to an important group. think your kids are getting good educations? there is a new study out that shows america's confidence in our public schools has just hit an all-time low. it is a crisis in america and it's coming up. [ male announcer ] when a major hospital wanted to provide better employee benefits while balancing the company's bottom line, their very first word was... [ to the tune of "lullaby and good night" ] ♪ af-lac ♪ aflac [ male announcer ] find out more at... [ duck ] aflac! [ male announcer ] ...forbusiness.com. [ yawning sound ] but they can also hold you back. unless you ask, "what's next?" introducing the all-new rx f spo

remember jim demint told us that.a that he was going to live to fight another battle, that he won this battle, chris, and that it was john roberts who did it to them was just too much to bear. but it wasn't -- i don't know how -- how do you spike the football if you think that, oh, yeah, now sick people are going to be thrown off insurance. yea. go america. how is that exciting? the only thing that's really exciting is they were going to deal the president what they hoped would be a mortal blow. and you guys, joe conason and david corn went over it well. it would have been a disaster to have it overturned. and he goes out competent with a record. kind of an amazing record now when you think about it now. >> and there's no substitute foç victory. >> yes. somebody once said before you tell me what you're going to do, tell me what you've done. just for the fun of it, let's watch jean schmidt. this is what it would have looked like for days and months if this had gone down. here's jean schmidt thinking it was struck down.

that's jim demint, the head of the tea party!eading the opposition to wall street, it is the tea party! if they know what they stand for. and then you know, this -- oh, yeah, obviously you say we don't need regulation, anymore regulation. oh i agree 100% with that. oh my god. how sickening! and one other senator even asked him um, do you have any ideas about how we might -- what we might do about the deficit? it was just -- just -- it was a lovefest and you know why? because he owns every one of them. he bought -- let's change it. he rented every single one of them. yeah. jamie diamond. comes to congress and now we know why there are no new regulations, tough regulations on wall street because of money money, money money has bought every one of them off. 1-866-55-press. "full court press" here on a thursday. june 14. >> announcer: radio meets television. the "bill press show" now on current tv. [[vo]]joy behar is coming to current tv for one week only until the fall. what happens if you ask her to tone down her opinions? >>sorry,

we appreciate your -- senator jim demint, and ladies and gentlemen. we appreciate your leadership. help is on the way. you will have a lot more friends very soon in the u.s. senate. i name is ralph. i am the chairman of the faith and freedom coalition. it is my great honor to welcome our keynote speaker. how many conferences do you get to go to war in the first 45 minutes you get to hear from portman, jim demint, and senator marco rubio? he is one of the most transformational figures. in a very short time. marco rubio is the son of cuban exile whose life is truly a living, breathing embodiment of the american dream. he represents everything he stands for and all that he has done. the fact that america plays a unique and exceptional role in the history of our planet. when he ran for the u.s. senate in 2009 when very few people gave them a chance, his candidacy captured the imagination of the florida electorate. he was putting forward a plan to restore the promise of this nation. his parents came here in 1956. he grew up of florida. he graduated from the university of florida. you ar

mention, because this should go -- someone needs to bring everyone's attention to the fact that jim demintroduced an amendment in the farm bill. in an agricultural bill to repeal dodd/frank. i mean, we are talking about a republican congress that is so intent on picking apart and getting rid of don -- don? don frank, whoever he is. as well as dodd frank. anyway, it is american drama. andrew ross sorkin. thank you've for giviing us the latest. we hope to lure you back here. >> i love it here. thank you, alex. appreciate it. >>> after the break, 41 reasons to stick around. the new documentary explores the life, career, and legacy of former president george h.w. bush. we'll preview it, next. do you see it ? there it is ! there it is ! where ? where ? it's getting away ! where is it ? it's gone. we'll find it. any day can be an adventure. that's why we got a subaru. love wherever the road takes you. wow, there it is. the day starts with arthritis pain... a load of new listings... and two pills. after a morning of walk-ups, it's back to more pain, back to more pills. the evening showings bring

. >> one of the king makers in tea party terms has always been south carolina senator jim demint. what he had to say. >> i really think a lot of the motivation behind these tea party crowds is a spiritual component. people are seeing this massive government growing and realizing it's the government that's hurting us. i think they're turning back to god in effect is our salvation and government is not our salvation. >> it's really the contrast, the push/pull between government as an agency of good that can help people with a social safety net and government really as a force that hurts individual initiative and really goes against the grain of independence. >> that's absolutely right. i think that's one of the challenges i lay out later in the book, in the last chapter, which is how are tevangelicals going to convince independents their message is mainstream. we've heard a lot of time the tea party message isn't mainstream. there have been plenty of articles written about that. how do you convince independents that it is. if you actually look at what independents believe, for examp

[applause] >> senator jim demint, ladies and gentlemen. we appreciate your leadership. senator, thank you very much for being with us today. i have got good news for both you and senator rubio -- help is on the way. [applause] you will have a lot more friends very soon in the u.s. senate through the efforts of the folks in this room. my name is ralph reed, i am the chairman of the faith and freedom coalition. it is now my great honor to welcome our carquinez speaker. in the first -- a key note speaker. pretty good start. [applause] our next speaker is truly one of the greatest talents and most transformational figure is. in a very short time on the national stage, marco rubio -- he is the son of cuban exiles. his life is a living, breathing embodiment of the american dream. he represents in everything he stands for and all he has done in his public and private life, the fact that america plays a unique and exceptional role in the history of our plan at. when he ran for the u.s. senate in 29, -- 2009, few people gave him a chance. but his story captured the imagination o

mitt romney was endorsed by senator jim demint, one of the most conservative tea party champions in the was able to do great things in massachusetts. we need that thinkingç nationally. you're right to say there was dissent. that's not the argument. it was mixed and it became a complete unified opposition. i think if 15 republicans were on the individual mandate no one would say it was disingenuous. >> channelling lloyd benson, i know orin hatch is a friend of mine. i testified before and on his invitation. he cosponsored the mandate and then in january 2010, the one-year anniversary of barack obama's inauguration we had duelling op-eds where i said it was constitutional and randy barnett said it was constitutional as a tax. he said it's unconstitutionalle which was news to me. and so randy said do you believe your constitutional argument? would you have written it like john roberts? not only would i have. i did. i wrote a piece a full year ago. the first 15 pages said it's up on ssrn, freely downloadable. it's a tax and what was said before is it wasn't passed. none of those things is

jim demint who is arguably one of the most conservative republicans praised mitt romney's model.s is all about politics and hat's why the -- that's why the republicans are make high it. >> his argument is states should be the laboratory of democracy and they should figure it out for himself. >> governor romney said if obama was modeling his program program after romney care he should have called him an would have told him what went right and what went wrong. what went wroings the cost drivers went higher and they began to bankrupt the government. you have here a democratic governor who is basically abdicated any affiliation with president obama's signature domestic program. regardless of what you say, the democratic insurance official who was part of this governor's administration, to defend the situation, it is and isn't a blow to obama-care. if that's the best you can say it's fair to conclude this is a big blow. shannon: i hope the supreme court opinion is a little bit more clear than that explanation. do you think people are trying to get ahead of it. we heard from people who

senator jim demint and i and representative jim jordan have written a letter.ter urging the states to not implement obama care before the election because we are very confident that after the election, we will repeal obama care. >> so stay right there for one second, congresswoman. i want to talk to governor markell who is our guest this morning as well. when these calls to go ahead and not implement something that has now been deemed constitutional by the supreme court, what kind of a legal morass would that put a leader of a state or a representative in? >> it doesn't put us in any morass, and i have not seen the congresswoman's letter. but we're going to move full steam ahead. one, because it is the settled law of the land. whether the opponents like it or not. and number two, the fact is that making sure that people with pre-existing conditions can get care, young adults can stay on their parents' policies, is good public policy. and i'm wondering if people who want to repeal the law want to repeal those proivisions as wel. we have lots of work to do and we

. >> jim demint says every time there is a problem there is a temptation to add regulations. mr.lking about regulations asked for a clone and simple regulatory system. jon. jon: mike emanuel in the capitol building. thank you. jenna: we are going to turn now to the campaign trail, and right now governor mitt romney addressing the influential business roundtable in washington. that is an association of ceo's whose companies employ more than 14 million people. that is a live picture of mitt romney. president obama has court thed very same, very attractive group to have on your side. chief political correspondent carl cameron is live in washington with more on this. >> reporter: governor mitt romney is talking about president obama's assertion that the private sector is doing fine, and that what is necessary is more government hiring in the form of police, firemen and teachers, which plays to the obama campaign's attack suggesting that mr. romney wants to cut all those jobs. it's all about stimulus money and economic planning. while mr. romney today is talking to the roundtable in d

kraus once described the empires is an experimental laboratory for world destruction my fear, lisa jim demintis that if it european is plain to become calm. this experiment has failed. thank you. [applause] >> let me reiterate something in the past debates. it's one thing for people to get up the quality and caliber of her speakers. they do it all the time and get a set piece speech. it's something quite different though to pitch your ideas forward and have some contested in the way they have been tonight. in fact, she talk about an issue that is again hardly academic. in fact, potentially the lives of hundreds of millions of people, possibly for the future of the global economy. so it has been a spirited debate undoubtedly, but one that i think we'll come away from what the larger understanding in europe. so please join me in a round of appreciation. [applause] >> so, now the fun part of tonight's evening. we are going to have a second vote on the motion be it resolved the european experiment failed at the two how they started in this room tonight. let's have those numbers up for the first a

one of the things that he shows is jim demint talking to jamie dimon, who is saying that, you know, i really can't chastise you for losing $2 billion because here in washington, we lose twice that much every single day. it comes back to jon stewart and he says doesn't senator demint, does senator demint really think that spending money is just the same as losing money? and then he knocks demands and says, yesterday, i had $4 million and now all i see is a freaking highway. where's my money? where is my money? that, i think, so clearly describes, first of all, the sense that somehow it isn't the people's money whatsoever. and this idea that spending is losing money in this country. that is what the president is talking about, and i want to tell you that i am proud, once again come to be a cochair of the president's reelection campaign. i have known barack obama since chicago for the last 17 years. and he is talking about investment in education and energy and innovation and infrastructure and in doing fair tax reform dead this is the republican plan for job creation. more tax cuts for

but one of the things that he shows is jim demint talking to jamie dimon, he was saying that you know, i really can't chastise you for losing $2 billion, because here in washington we lose twice that much every single day. and so then comes back to jon stewart and he says, doesn't senator demint, doesn't senator demint really think that spending money is just the same as losing money? and then he mocks demand, and he says, yesterday, this is supposedly commit, yesterday i had $4 million now all i see is a freaking highway. where's my money? where's my money? that i think so clearly describes what, first of all, the sense that somehow it isn't the people's money, whatsoever. and this idea that spending is really a way of losing money in this country. two visions, two paths. that's what the president is talking about. and i want to kill you that i am proud once again to be a co-chair of the president's reelection campaign. i have known barack obama, i am from chicago, for the last 17 years. and he's talking about investments in education and energy and innovation and infrastructure, and

but one of the things that he shows is jim demint talking to jaime dimond who is saying i really can't chastise you for using $2 billion because here in washington we lose twice that much every single day. so then it comes back to john stewart and he says doesn't senator demint really think that spending money is just the same as losing money? and then he walks him and says yesterday i had $4 million, and now all i see is the freaking highway. where's my money? where's my money? that i think so clearly describes what first of all the sense that somehow it is in the people's money, whatsoever, and this idea that spending money is really a way of losing money in this country. to visions and to have this. that is what the president is talking about, and i want to tell you i am proud once again to be the co-chair of the president's reelection campaign - own barack obama the last 17 years coming and he's talking about investment in education and energy and innovation and infrastructure and doing fair tax reform. this as the republican plan for job creation. more tax cuts for the rich, more

came after spending nearly a decade on capitol hill as legislative director to then representative jim demint. he was also in 82 -- she was also an aide. she was on the staff of the late jesse helms. she will talk about the health policy implications of obamacare being upheld. next is jennifer marshall, who the director of domestic policy steady for heritage. she is the head of our richard if and hellen center for religion. she will be speaking on the challengines. she will look at the hhs mandate. as well as the impact of its being upheld on that policy. turning to my presentation, i would like to begin by saying i agree with attorney general gregg abbott that yesterday's decision has certain silver linings. i feel they surround a dark cloud. let's start with the positive. the commerce clause. reed receive this has to be viewed as a victory that beat the expectations of the academy and the pundits party or argument when everyone suggested that there was nothing there. one week before oral arguments, you had people saying this was frivolous. that was not true. additionally, there are some str

kraus once described the empires is an experimental laboratory for world destruction my fear, lisa jim demintis that if it european is plain to become calm. this experiment has failed. thank you. [applause] >> let me reiterate something in the past debates. it's one thing for people to get up the quality and caliber of her speakers. they do it all the time and get a set piece speech. it's something quite different though to pitch your ideas forward and have some contested in the way they have been tonight. in fact, she talk about an issue that is again hardly academic. in fact, potentially the lives of hundreds of millions of people, possibly for the future of the global economy. so it has been a spirited debate undoubtedly, but one that i think we'll come away from what the larger understanding in europe. so please join me in a round of appreciation. [applause]