let us bring in jim drury. apparently no relation to mandy. >> we don't know that. established it yet. >> at some point you are related. jim, welcome to the program. good to have you on, i think. >> thank you. >> obvious, good boards, good companies, right? but you found some interesting correlations. what are they? >> well, we found that really -- companies that are regarded as very good do not necessarily have great governance capacity in the board room. and some companies that are probably less visible, that are smaller, mid-sized, growing, have extraordinary governance capacity in the board room. we found some interesting correlations between governance capacity relative to company scale and their stock performance over the long term, five-year period. >> give us some examples here of some strong governance equalling strong stock performance. show us what you've got. jim? >> well, i would say that we picked about 25 companies that would have been at the lower range. let's say below the 300 on the fortune 500. and we looked at their governance capacity rankings.