. >> reporter: meet jim ellis.'ll usually find the 74-year-old just a few miles away from the nile swim club, still coaching some of the world's best up-and-coming swimmers. >> what does it mean to be on our team? pride, determination and resilience. that's the name of the game. >> reporter: all his life ellis says he's heard the misconceptions about african americans and swimming. >> african americans can't swim. their bones are too heavy. they're not built right. well, i'm african american. i've been swimming all my life. so this is a stereotype. >> reporter: growing up, ellis was fortunate to have access to pools. and when he didn't, he found a way. >> i went to pools that my parents couldn't swim in when they were younger, and once i got to be a teenager i swam in those pools every day in the summertime just to make up for what they couldn't do. >> reporter: in 1971 ellis would go on to create the philadelphia department of recreation swim team, the first all-black swim team in the country. >> we had to deal wi

john eastman and jim ellis standing behind rudy giuliani with the paradigm dripping down his face, they have been ordered to testify with all of the intention of going on mar-a-lago, how big of a threat does this make elector investigation remain to the former president. >> i think the fake elector scheme is one of the most serious that we've seen in the course of the january 6th committee. >> this is concrete, fraudulent attempt. >> absolutely. this is an intricate, well organized, purely executed, scheme to completely undermine the results of the election. and it happened not just in one place, but with teams of people in multiple states. there is a lot of evidence to go around. >> and they said it into the national archives, they sent these fake slates, it wasn't just, we'll talk about it over a cup of coffee. it happened. >> that's illegal. >> will someone be held responsible for this? >> i think there's a good chance. but as with all of these january 6th crimes, the folks most likely to get in trouble first are probably the furthest away from the top level drivers. >> as he would w