all right, jim foster, please come forward. and then brett gladstone and then jim reuben and then james riddle. >> my name is jim foster. i have been a parishioner at old st. mary's for over 30 years, i started going there in 1977 because my presbyterian friend said i had to go to church on sunday because i was catholic. i walked out of the apartment we were sharing and discovered that if i went uphill i would go to the cathedral. if i went downhill, i would go to old st. mary's. i went downhill. i found out that old st. mary's was unlike any other church that i had been involved with. and i'm a cradle catholic. i found out, for example, that a group, if you will, came to the door to that church every night. we called them or some of the helpers called them the nights the road, which they actually were. they were homeless men who had no place to go. we gave them tickets which we redeemed with cash at the end of each month. i found out that it was also home to something called the old st. mary's housing committee, which caused a