and jim gilchrest, founder and president of the minutemen project. back with me is kellyanne conway, a republican strategist. paul, let me start with you. we're a nation of immigrants. look out there tonight at the statue of liberty. we have compassion for children. why are we so divided in this country as to what to do about this problem? >> i don't think we are divided. i think america has its heart in the right place. we need to be compassionate. we need to be strong and enforce our laws. it's precisely why we should make it clear in these countries that regardless of the trauma they're obviously going through. but name me a latin american country that doesn't have poor people. we have to set laws. we have to let them know that it isn't the land of milk and honey, that life isn't easy here. my heart goes out to the parents who have to traumatize their kids to go through mexico. they must go through terrible abuse. but at the same time if we accept these children and don't repatriate them, it's only going to send out a clear signal in latin america