he might not be your favorite politician, jim gilmore, i understand that. i don't see barack obama spreading optimism. >> let's listen to what he has to say tonight. give him a chance. >> fair enough, fair enough. >> optimism is not his agenda. his agenda has been some type of strange equality, redistribution of wealth, which automatically increases unemployment, destroys jobs. that's been the agenda. we have to change now. we have to do something where we can really spur the opportunity for growth. >> i fear personally, i'll just conclude on this point, i fear that we are accepting the fact that the economic pie can never grow larger, and we're stuck with the size we have. and i want to hear -- i don't care if it's a democrat or republican. i want to hear somebody that says i want to grow the pie larger. i want to -- >> i don't accept that. and a lot of democrats don't accept that. >> i'm glad to hear that. martin frost, jim gilmore, really appreciate it, gentlemen. >> now let's hear from joe manc manchion. we'll be back. [ intercom ] drivers, to your mark

here is former clinton adviser, and former virginia republican governor and rnc committee chairman jim gilmoreart with you. is the state of the union going to be about inequality, taxing the rich? is it going to be about transferring more federal benefits? >> i certainly hope not. we don't know what the speech will have in it, but it ought not to have that. there's a danger here of his destroying the profit motive, the incentives to be entrepreneu entrepreneurs. i'm working on a project called americanopportunity.org, and we think the central point needs to be economic growth. we're hoping the president will put the program into his state of the union when he says, look, the state of union isn't that great, we need to grow more, i have a plan. and if he'll do that, i don't think he is a lame duck. >> richard, by the time he gets to paragraph 3 of the domestic part of this speech, he's going to ask for a higher minimum wage, whatever it is now. he's going to ask for extending unemployment benefits. this is nothing to do with the growth that governor gilmore is talking about. it has nothing to d