jim goldman, and let me bring in jim faucet from securities. what is your take on this s? >> well, jim outlined it well. device shipments were poor, and the investments have disclosed were smaller. going forward the outlook and once again jim characterized it pretty well is what about people were looking for. >> right. would you commit new capital to research in motion right now? >> no, i would not, because as the growth matures in the u.s., most of the growth is coming internationally, and i think that in western europe particularly, so we are close to saturation. >> all right. leave it there. jim, good to have you on the program, and james faucett joining us on research in motion. back to our guest who is waiting patiently, and my apologies to the ceo and president of campbell company, douglas conant who was talking about how the make the company more flexibility, and do you think that the part of the white house the bring people together to create new jobs, how does that happen with the flexible workplaces? >> well, i think that the -- what the white house is doing is i