the findings of the defense science board report on cyberdeterrence, which i did, co-chaired with jim gossler, i'm speaking on behalf of myself, not on behalf of the department of development or anybody else. -- department of defense or anybody else. two quick points and then add some additional steps the united states may take and i think it's important to think of it in terms of a campaign plan. there are escalation risks associated with taking actions but there are greater escalation risks with not taking strong action. so, point one is that to have an effective deterrent strategy, you need to think about the mindset and values of the party. in this case an individual president, putin, who you're trying to deter. to put it pretty directly, in president putin's eyes it appears that his view is that the united states is the aggressor in this space. when russian authors have written about hybrid warfare, they're talking about u.s. and western nongovernmental organizations who have come promoting democracy. and they've thrown some of them out of moscow but it continues to be, in their view, a

the findings of the defense science board report on cyberdeterrence, which i did, co-chaired with jim gossler, i'm speaking on behalf of myself, not on behalf of the department of development or anybody else. two quick points and then add some additional steps the united states may take and i think it's important to think of it in erms of a campaign plan. there are escalation risks sork associated with taking actions but there are greater escalation risks with not taking strong action. so, point one is that to have an effective deterrent strategy, you need to think about the mindset and values of the party. in this case an individual president, putin, who you're trying to deter. to put it pretty directly, in president putin's eyes it appears that his view is that the united states is the aggressor in this space. when russian authors have written about hybrid warfare, they're talking about u.s. and western nongovernmental organizations who have come promoting democracy. and they've thrown some of them out of moscow but it continues to be, in their view, a campaign. they see the united states a

the findings of the defense science report on cyber deterrence, which i did -- coher chairs with jim gossler, i'm speaking on behalf of myself and not the department of defense or anyone else. the actions the united states may take and in terms of a campaign plan, because i'll point out there are escalation risks associated with taking actions but there are greater escalation with not taking strong action. so point one is that -- is that to have an affective deterrent strategy think about the mindset and values of the party -- in this case an individual, president putin who you are trying to deter and to put it pretty directly and succinctly, in putin's eye, the united states is the gressor. when russian authors written by warfare, they are talking about promoting of democracy. and they've thrown some of the amount -- at moscow but it continues to be in their view of campaign. they see the united states and western europe pursuing nato expansion. we've done that since the end of the cold war and at this point in time georgia is still on the table. ukraine potentially is. the united states is