>> executive vice president at the security for -- jim hansen joins us this morning. what purpose does this type of bomb serve? >> as you pointed out it tells our enemies it is a bad idea to be an enemy of the united states. a new tagline, returning terrorists to their component molecules since 2017. they need to know that. for eight years our enemies ran rampant, they knew president obama was not going to take action. if you look at geo strategy as a high risk poker game, obama didn't know he was the sucker at the table. donald trump has walked in, sat down and laid a 45 on the table and said the rules changed, you better pay attention. >> they had this bomb's 2003. tucker carlson had a guest that said this is one of 15 of these bombs, why are we using it right now when we had it since 2003. what is the change here? >> inauguration day with the change. when it was developed it was designed to take out a tunnel complex, cave complex or underground facilities like nuclear places, kim in north korea, it served a dual purpose, killed a lot of bad guys which is a good thi

. >> reporter: as details emerge jim hansen says that is exactly what this was. >> of course it is terrorism. but which particular strain? in this case it seems there are two. radical islamic terrorism with this allah u akbar and black nationalism. >> reporter: he fired six starting two visit starting by telling a passenger, seconds later he shoots and mrs. a man, he then reloads his revolver at a bus stop shooting two people and killing one. all three victims are white. police have been searching for him since last thursday. he is charged with four counts of murder and two counts of attempted murder. heitkamp a runoff among the most watched political races, democrat john ossof will face care and handling a high-stakes special election. in washington, new reaction from donald trump. >> looks like money can't buy happiness, at least not yet. he failed to flip the seat that helps would not only be a big win in a deep red district but serve as a referendum on donald trump. >> there is no doubt that this is already a victory for the ages. we will be ready to fight on and win in june. there is no

and from washington, jim hansen.on, you were pointing out the fact that they had ak-47s as a weapon. what is that signified you? >> a couple things, dana. one thing, you can't put an ak-47 in your pocket. so come originally some of the reports coming out, this could be a bank robbery or some kind of a heist. an ak-47 is a large assault style rifle. it's a large round, has a 30 round magazine. you can't just slip it down your pants, you can, but it will look funny. there's a lot of towels when it comes to caring that weapon. you need a bag, even if it will fold to be put in. if you are toting around champs-elysees with a ak-47 assault rifle, chances are there will be a couple of red flag indicators, that's one of them. >> dana: jim, i was going to ask you, i wanted to get a sense of how big the problem is, terrorist, lone wolves that invited indifference. i don't know if you are able to hear, care, catherine herridge said that on the s-list, there are 10,000 names. those of the ones they know of. >> that is horrifying

joining us now from los angeles, fox news chief correspondent jonathan hunt and from washington jim hansenexecutive vice president for a gritty policy. take us to the day. what time does happen and what did they know who the suspect was ahead of the linking to that shooting from last week? >> first of all, this all happened in one terrifying minute this morning. local time on the streets of downtown fresno. those three victims all white men shot and very quick succession. they have this technology in fresno called the shot spotter, monitors that are set up around the downtown area and alert police to the sound of a gunshot. that's why cops were on the scene so quickly and according to the police chief, that is why more people weren't hurt or killed in this incident. tying him to the previous murder last thursday at a local motel six, they had video evidence from security cameras of that killing of a security guard who by the way was also white, so they knew the identity of whom they were looking for in that incident and as soon as they took this man into custody after today's shootings, th