. >> jim heinz off of twitter makes this point to you, ms. pollitt. both parents would not have to work if they did not have to support the giant government you advocate for. >> well, actually, americans pay less in taxes than in other industrialized countries. i think it is a huge myth that americans are so burdened by taxes and get nothing back from it. you get lots back from it. most of the things that government pays are are things like we do have an enormous military and when people complain about taxes that doesn't come up too often, but i think that if you want to have a society that takes care of people, where people don't end up on the streets, where the schools are good, where people have health care, then you have to pay for it. it is the way you have to pay for everything. that's the thing that nobody can say in politics because if you say, hey, we have to raise taxes, then people, there are a lot of people like your caller there who think that's really just the worst thing in the world. i want to live in a society that doesn't have people

issues and you touched on this earlier, the rising debt and deficit in excess of $16 trillion and jim heinzen deficit spending for five decades. is that working? blaming democrats for deficit spending. guest: well, you know, look, one can cast blame in a lot of different directions over a 50-year period. we've had republican and democratic presidents. we've had republican and democratic led congresses and i think the important thing is the president even yesterday made a comment about the fact that we need to -- we need to address that issue. and i think this president is going to be just as vigorous at addressing that issue in a second term as anybody would but i think one major difference is that the president is ready to talk about the things that he will continue protecting his investments, things like education, things like infrastructure investment. and reforming but not eliminating entitlement programs that are so critical to the future of so many of our seniors. so i think -- i think that kind of prescription is the type of prescription the country is looking for. host: kathleen wri

host: from jim heinz, how collectible are campaign posters, is there a decent market for resale and which poster has sold the most? guest: i think i don't know as much about resale. as we were doing this book, we were looking a lot on line to see what posters were popular and there seems to be a market for campaign memorabilia, of what the actual sale price of them, how saleable they are, i couldn't answer that. host: this is from 2000. rocks the rock garden. this is one of the posters you might see at college promoting an upcoming event. guest: it's almost like a rock 'n' roll poster like eddie vetter or on the bill there, it's -- i think it really speaks to the position that the nader campaign was in. very much a grassroots campaign, not a lot of money to spend on posters and artwork. >> this is from 2008, we talked about the famous hope poster which, by the way, the president talked about last thursday when he was at george clooney's house, where that came about. and this is another version of the change we can believe in with obama and biden, 2008. guest: i really like the hope poster