jim hesterling, a deeply man.ervative i spent much of 2008 defending hank and ben over bear stearns. wanted to have hearings and drag them up there and denounce them over bear stearns. a hard enough thing to get done. there's no way -- i agree. there was no way the kind of resolution procedure, etc., with significant government intervention, remember what we have in there. if things getz bad. is going to put them over. we'll put them in conservativeship. not have flown. we sometimes make a mistake of anating washington like it's autonomous bubble. it's driven by sperpgss of voter sentiment. the t.a.r.p., great success, the hate. we politicians leave a lot to be desired. bargain s are no either. and i used to say that when i was in office. >> barney had a quote -- you may great, the 'm so constituents aren't so hot either. hat's why we never let them near freshmen. >> here's the deal -- you had ideological -- tremendous intervention by the government. step in, get rid of the board of people s and you fire and you take the shareholders' money and you do all of these said, it was a hard