with me is jim himes of connecticut, a member of the intel committee.y received their own classified briefing on afghanistan last night. congressman, before i get to afghanistan, i want to ask you about what seems to be quickly developing news here about a possible agreement to move forward on the infrastructure and budget resolution here. what's your understanding of what may be agreed to, to land the plane, as speaker pelosi put it? >> i think she uttered those words about seven minutes ago. you guys are good. i think -- look, the tone in today's meeting was quite a bit different from the tone in yesterday's meeting. i think there's a lot of confidence that this deal will get done that will ultimately allow for a vote on the infrastructure bill out of the senate and the much larger package, the reconciliation package. i don't think there's an agreement just yet. i think it's going to focus on a commitment to get a vote on that infrastructure package. this feels like one of those washington tempest in a tea cup. just because we were up late last night

joining us now is democratic congressman and a member of the house intelligence committee jim himes,terday, which means, i know, you can't tell me exactly what you were told behind closed doors there. let me ask you about "the washington post" report, if william burns, the cia director was meeting with the de facto leader of the taliban, what's your take away, what would that tell you? >> it's probably a good thing, we're obviously in a situation that is very very tough on the ground there, and at the epd of the -- end of the day holds a lot of cards. bill burns before he became director of the cia was one of the nation's most seasoned diplomats, and if anybody knows how to negotiate, how to establish relationships, how to get good outcomes internationally, it's bill burns. my guess is that, and i'm just speculating, my guess is there's two things at the top of the agenda, number one, keeping things peaceful. the taliban hold a lot of cards because we don't have that much military manpower on the ground there. they hold a lot of cards. number two, as i look at the situation, it's inc

connecticut congressman jim hines. himes. thank you for your time.administration? >> well, i'll tell you there was a very strong and is a very strong bipartisan sentiment. bipartisan sentiment the objective has to make sure that we don't leave people behind. and that an arbitrary deadline that is important to the taliban is something that must be negotiated away if it means that we would leave in particular americans behind. i say in particular americans behind because nobody wants to see a hostage scenario. it is also true that there are thousands, maybe tens of thousands of afghans who worked with us. there is no way they are all getting out. probably by late september even. so the key here is to establish with the taliban a process whereby everybody gets out in a safe way. doesn't need to mean we have 10,000 troops on the ground in kabul but we need a process that everybody who should get out gets out. >> dana: the poll this week only 26% of americans approve of the way it has been handled. you mentioned the interpreters and on april 14th, you put

is on him from his allies in congress to extend that deadline, and we just heard from congressman jim himes from the intelligence committee, and part of the briefing received yesterday suggested we need more time to get our people out, and murphy has been outspoken and generally supportive of the president's approach in afghanistan saying yesterday that we should essentially call the taliban's bluff, and of course they said a red line on whether we stay beyond august 31st, but significantly the allies internationally, the president -- we just received word from the white house in the last few minutes here that that meeting he was participating in this morning with g7 allies, and he spoke at the start of the meeting we are told, and there would have been a back and forth among the leaders in the roughly two hours that followed, and boris johnson among those leaders was telegraphing that he intended to pressure the president to keep our operations going there beyond august 31st, because, remember, it's not just american personnel, it's not just the afghan allies but so many of our allies also

democratic congressman jim himes of connecticut is joining us.f the house intelligence committee. congressman, thank you so much for joining us. i know you have just come from this briefing by the intelligence community. i know you can't get into classified information. but what can you tell us about what you learned? >> well, wolf, it is a real obligation that the congress as a whole has to figure out what went wrong. and let me be clear about this. like president trump, like president biden, i supported a withdrawal from afghanistan. it is the right thing to do. i think president biden gets credit for finally doing something that should have been done a long time ago. but we're far from out of the woods yet. it is still a dicey situation. naturally a narrative develops. was it a military failure? was it a white house failure? was it an intelligence community failure? i will tell you this, which is that i have been watching this intelligence for a very long time and our intelligence committee has been appropriately pessimistic about what was goi