joining me now is congressman, jim hines, of connecticut. congressman, we will get right to it.t did you see tonight and in recent days that would lead you to believe that joe biden should step aside? >> well, it is really just not about tonight. one of the really kind of sick aspects of this moment is that we are watching every speech, every rally, every debate and saying how did he do today? and that is just not the way to think about the presidency of the united states, and look, this is a really hard moment for democrats and it is a hard moment for democrats, because, loyalty and love and emotion are really important in politics, and by the way, there's probably no one for them that is more important than the storytelling irish men, joe biden, and they are really important politics. it is why union halls erupted in ecstasy, it is why rallies are-- it is why people cry when they remember barack obama and that is good, it is good. the problem is, it can be taken to an extreme. it is loyalty and loyalty alone, inking loyalty that leads 70 million americans to continue to back a

>> jim hines is a very, very good person. he's very smart, but he's very, very wrong. he is just plain wrong on this. biden is perfectly capable of governing. he proves that every single day. he proved it over the last four days when nato leaders from around europe were in washington. and you don't hear one of those leaders say that he was not fully in charge and fully capable and doing what he does so very well, which is to pull people together to find the solutions to the problem. there are 20 out of 213 democrats that have said uh- that would agree with mr. hines. i'm not among them, and i suspect that we'll find there'll be a few others that will come along. but the reality here is that biden is perfectly capable of campaigning, campaigning successfully, and take one more moment to look at his opponent. his opponent is a certified felon, 34 felony counts. his opponent is a is a person that has no respect for women. think about the run up to the 2016 campaign and what we heard in his own words, the way trump would treat women. take a look at what he did, in the case

>> i mentioned it before, congressman jim hines of connecticut is now one of 17 democratic lawmakers calling on the president to step aside. of course, we should note, the overwhelming majority of democrats have not done so, but i want to share a bit of what you said to our colleague, alex wagner, earlier tonight. >> it is really not about tonight, and one of the really kind of sick aspects of this moment is that we are watching every speech, every rally, every debate and saying, how did he do today? and that is just not the way to think about the presidency of the united states. the hard reality is, and i am far from the only democrat who believes this, but the numbers, the trajectory, what americans feel in their bones right now suggests not only that joe biden would lose this race, but that he or we would lose the senate and the house. and the stakes are so high that we need to set aside that loyalty and that poetry and that romance and the charge of the light brigade and we all go down together, in favor of some really hard-nosed analysis about whether this is the way forward. >>

joining us now is jim hines, democrat from connecticut. good to see you, congressman. you about the failures, security failures, speaker johnson is now saying that the fbi corrector chris wray has a credibility problem after that testimony. i'm not sure why he would be going after chris wray, he was trying to dot investigation based on the investigation of everything else that's going on in guantanamo -- excuse me, in quantico, at fbi headquarters in the research labs. but you tell me, you're following this more closely, i guess. >> yeah, i didn't see the speaker's comments but it's all part of the republican party doing their best to dismantle america's faith in institutions like the department of justice, like the fbi, like the secret service which, by the way, isn't to say that accountability shouldn't be visited on the secret service where the failure was obvious. but to start saying chris wray with whom i met this morning is somehow not doing his job is just irresponsible. the moment that the american people lose faith in the fbi, in the department of justice and

said he should stay in and half said he should stay out in the drip drip drip is continuing and jim hiness the ranking member of the intelligence committee to step up and say enough is enough we should not hang on every word that biden says to see if you going to flub again it is time for replacement. maria: i want to get your take on what's going on with voters, do you think we are going to see president biden is a nominee come november? >> my voters have long thought that biden had challenges, cognitive challenges so they are not surprised, they have been surprised of the press tried to pull a fast one and now driving the train to force him out. this is the worst place for joe biden to be or democrats to be because joe biden performed well enough at the press conference for those who wanted to stay in and continue on that track and made enough flubs so those who want about can continue to push them out. it's going to continue to drip, drip, drip in the voters will continue to rally behind donald trump who is doing very well. maria: our viewers were also not surprised in any way by all o

. >>> we go now to connecticut congressman jim hines the top democrat on the house intelligence committee. good morning to you. >> good morning, margaret? i know you were recently briefed regarding the arrests in los angeles, philadelphia and new york city and the 8 tajikistan nationals suspected links to isis-k. do you know where we are in regard to understanding whether they were a cell working together, whether there were direct links? >> yeah. law enforcement as you might expect is making good progress determining who these people were talking to, what the plans were. other people involved in the network. whether an attack was imminent. whether there were specific plans for an attack. this isn't new, right? in other words, as you know shortly after these individuals entered the united states not stopped because there was no derogatory information on them at the time, very quickly some derogatory information was developed, and the decision was taken to watch these guys. now the reason you watch these guys instead of instantly arresting them is that their behavior and communications can

representatives , called on biden to step down after yesterday's press conference, and one of them, democrat jim hines, called on him to go. and interestingly, this morning ashley jade, an actress, well-known democrat supporter and reproductive rights activist, also said that president biden should go. i think it has a real impact on the abortion issue. this was one area where democrats and president biden had an advantage over trump. this is one of their strongest cards. however, biden failed the debate test. i think we will see even more members in the coming days. house of representatives, who will ask him to step down. it is interesting that donald trump also reacted to biden's excuses. in his social network, he wrote about joe's excellent work, although he himself has been repeatedly embarrassed. in october of last year , trump confused hungary and turkey as prime minister, and called viktor orbán the leader of turkey. however, such circumstances do not prevent trump and orban from maintaining contact. hungarian prime minister after nato summit. from washington went to florida, visited trump's es

you heard jim hines come on and say, i thought he did fine at the press conference.othing to do with this press conference. he was saying x recently, i have reached a brutal conclusion that biden will lose and take the house of representatives with him. i don't think that is a concern that should be dismissed as the biting campaign and others have as being a concerned and a leech of people trying to hold onto their jobs. these are elected for representatives hearing from their constituents and seeing things in the polls. whether they will, at 17 now, 17 out of 435 members of congress and a smaller number of democrats, that is still not a groundswell in the public space. the western comes down to people like nancy pelosi, that has always been my view. i don't think the press conference will have resolved anything. not that enough to drop him off the ticket, not good enough to alleviate the fears, certainly not enough to turn the numbers around. >> there's nothing you can do to alleviate the fears. we've seen with various events, most notably the debate, of course. sus

we'll check in with congressman jim hines, the top democrat on the tinl committee and get the latest from unicef russell on the humanitarian crises putting millions of children at risk around the world. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ >>> good morning. welcome to "face the nation." we begin this morning with reaction to the first presidential debate of 2024. our polling unit asked voters, how they view the candidates now, including their cognitive health. the results are not encouraging for the president. the number of voters who say president biden has the cognitive ability to serve has dropped from 35% earlier this month to 27% after the debate. that's the lowest number since cbs began asking voters that question last september. nearly three quarters of all registered voters now say he shouldn't be running and nearly half of democrats say he shouldn't remain the nominee. an extraordinary number for an incumbent who didn't face a competitive primary. we should also note that half of all voters also say former president trump does not have the cognitive health to serve. v

it's in the news because thursday night in a riveting, sweat all over my body inducing appearance, jim hinese up and he's a patriot. he believes in the country and our alliance with ukraine. he has been there. he believes in our role in the world and he said in no uncertain terms that loyalty destroyed the republican party and i won't let it destroy mine. i don't see a path for him to win again begin squander our democracy. compelling people like jim himes are doing compelling interview with people like alex wagner. in terms of what he and lester talked about, the jury is the voters. i have no idea how they'll experience that. on the campaign apparatus, it should raise its flag and keep campaigning because we have an election in 115 days. >> given the fact they pull the reds, that he was political in the interview. when asked about political violence and political violent rhetoric, biden pivoted back to charlottesville, explaining why he got in the recent talked about trump saying there's good people on both sides. he said january 6 and what happened at the capitol. every opportunity he goes

congress member jim hines became the latest congressional democrat to call on him to suspend his campaignet's bring in our guest from raymond james. >> good morning. >> now after the press conference and the president out in the spotlight for a while. did that change your opinion of the president's spacampaign or other part of this? >> frank, what a see-saw campaign. we saw biden with momentum to stay in the race and an okay interview with george stephanopoulos and then swing back to make a decision and almost the decision he's made is not okay. the press conference last night was probably good enough for him to stay in the race for now. it was an hour-long unscripted event. something people were concerned he wasn't able to do. some will say answers to questions, especially on foreign policy, were strong. detractors will point out to what you pointed out. calling zelenskyy putin and kamala harris donald trump. i know a lot of you asked wait until after the summit to call for a withdraw. later today, i expect the numbers to grow in terms of how many members of congress ask him to step asid

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him to step aside, including the ranking member of the house intelligence committee, congressman jim hines. now, major democratic donors are reportedly freezing $90 million in pledge donations unless he drops out. meanwhile, biden's republican rival, donald trump, made his first public appearance in almost two weeks, with a florida rally full of lies and attacks. he also hosted the authoritarian leader of hungary at his club in florida, all while campaigning that he has nothing to do with project 2025, the far right playbook for a second trump term, which was written by many of trump's closest allies. we will have more on project 2025 in a moment. but first, let's bring in our nightcap, former missouri senator and msnbc political analyst, clara classical is here. hayes brown, msnbc daily columnist and editor. former u.s. attorney, joyce vance, who spent 25 years as a federal prosecutor, and jemele hill, contributing writer to the atlantic, and host of the podcast "the mill is unbothered." claire, some people are hung up on some flubs president biden had last night, but donald trump himself

and you got congressman jim hines was warning that democracy may not avert a second trump presidency you served in house leadership. what do you make of these conversations that are happening? not in front of the camera? >> well, it's natural when i think they're confronted as they perceived to be by the performance of the president two weeks ago. and the fallout ever since. so especially from the people on the hustings, the people out there on the frontline districts you know, they're the most vulnerable democrats and they're talking to the leadership. it's the job of leadership to listen to these folks gather that information. they're looking at the polling. they're looking at deep trouble. see polling, looking at dscc polling, there begging the white house to give them more information and they're looking at the median the polling that they're doing as well, they gathered all that. i think i came jeffries is doing that. i think chuck schumer's we don't think nancy's doing that obviously to look broke both barack obama and as implosive, they are to stallworth, leaders of the party

more democratic lawmakers, including the top democrat on the house intel committee representative jim hines, called for him to step aside. this mean there's now a total of 17 lawmakers publicly feel this way and congressman himes gave this warning to those who are still standing by him imagine that three months from now we get another performance like there was in the debate right before the election. do you want to take that risk cnn senior white house correspondent kayla tausche is leading us off again this morning. >> kayla first, how is the biden team looking at what happened these new defections right after a press conference that you reported they're quite proud of they were quite proud of the performance at the president put on last night. they said that he hit the marks that they expected him to. he had a little humor, little retail politics, politicking, some substance on foreign policy, and he prosecuted the case against donald trump in their view but they are still bracing for more defections. and even though they saw this as a little bit of progress, after two weeks of setbacks,

and we saw that when we saw congressman jim hines and congressman eric sorensen after the press conference call on him to step down. i think the next coming days today will be definitely a bit of a test for president biden going forward. i think talking to a number of my sources, what i hear is that it was good, but it was better than the debate, but it's not enough to stop the bleeding ultimately, and that's the issue that president biden and democrats have farnoush amiri, you cover capitol hill day in and day out. >> you saw jim himes there. congressman brad snyder tried to capture the sense of foreboding that many have every time biden takes the stage, let's listen to that we can't have a situation where every day we're holding our breath, whether it's a press conference debate or are rally. and i think we're at historic moment where the president can pass the torch to the next generation. not only united democratic party, but unite the country what is your latest reporting on how this is impacting the way members on the hill are thinking, we're going to get jim clyburn later on this mo

democrats called him out and called for him to step aside, including the house intelligence committee, jim hineshe to 17 democrats calling for president biden to pull out of the race. >> george: the president has a week to 10 days and after that, he's in or out? >> reporter: the convention is in august, george, nothing changed after that press conference. on one hand, biden did exactly what his doubters asked him to do, come out, take, you know, an unscripted moment, an hour-long set of questions from all-comers. the most significant exchange came at the very end, when he was asked, if he would step down if he could be shown that kamala harris would have a better chance to beat trump. he said no, but unless there was no way he could win showing up in the polls. he told you in your interview, it would take the lord almighty to tell him he couldn't win, now he's suggesting polls could do the same trick, and the bottom line sdemocrats, many, many more democrats than you are hearing public a lot public as well, think there's no way he could beat donald trump. >> george: there are more polls coming o

so jim hines, the top democrat on the house intelligence committee, publicly called on mr biden to makeay for a younger successor just moments after he finished speaking . and tonight, it's been speaking. and tonight, it's been reported that $90 million of donations have now been frozen until biden pulls out of the presidential race. look, i'm going to go to former executive assistant to president ronald reagan and political commentator peggy grande, and also in a bit. anyway, i'm going to be talking to a doctor. but, peggy, i just to a doctor. but, peggy, ijust want to talk to you first on this. how big a problem is this for everyone in america, do you think, really, what has to happen now with biden? it's embarrassing, isn't it? >> it really is. and thank you, patrick, for having me on the program. this is a terrible week for the democrats. and it started with the debates , which started with the debates, which was a disastrous performance. and a lot of people feigned shock like they had never seen this coming. but those of us who have been actually watching joe biden for the last thr

. >> and jim hines and adam schiff are all the anger i know a lot of reviewers feel toward them are saying things out loud that they are uniquely able to say. they are not the ones who have the private polling that shows them losing. they are probably going to build save at the man who is at the top. visit in about jim himes and adam schiff. piercing things about what other people can say. he described it as a privilege to be covering this part of the story. i was, like, what? is the hardest mode gutwrenching. i texted and i said i feel emptiness. joe biden his beloved. him he is decent. four years ago it was the perfect contrast. this year it's not working. donald trump is winning. >> i thought you laid out so importantly clear, rachel and the politics of it are telling. the politics of republican party that has a national abortion ban novice and that's the little term he's a rookie senator, he's another senator. coming out of physically finance and delete educational circles. he's not an appeal to any part of the coalition of the country. it is much or something else that you diagnosed a

i mean, congressman jim hines from connecticut came out with his statement, calling on president biden to step aside, minutes after the press conference ended. the press conference itself i thought was good. i mean, it was affirmatively good for biden, in that he showed a mastery of foreign policy that he has exhibited for many years. little flubs were the same flubs that joe biden has been making for 30, 40 years. nothing to see there. the problem, of course, is that he's trying to un-ring the bell that was rung in the debate, and that was a very difficult task. the other problem is that his numbers, you know, "the washington post" poll that came out yesterday showed him tied with donald trump nationally. that was kind of an outlier. most of the polls, the average of polls has him 3 points behind. in 2016 and 2020, when he got to election day, trump voters showed up who hadn't really been found by the pollsters. did a bit better than predicted. four years ago at this point, biden was ahead of trump by nine points. those are also data points that don't inspire a lot of confidence among

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