the as jim jefferies called them , the jim jefferies called them, the wishy washy agnostics.eing annoying spiritual people. being an atheist, a true atheist is very lonely because you think there's absolutely nothing. afterwards you can't think, oh, there's a higher being. it's a very. and i'm a self—proclaimed lazy atheist or a dumb atheist because i haven't read all the scriptures, so i'm just taking a guess at it. i think in terms of actually educated atheists who've read all the religious doctrines and then come to it, there's probably one. >> well, no, no, there's well, they they called dawkins here an anti—atheist, which is interesting in terms of informed, but they are the argument is that they are putting all of those characteristics. you said together the kind of wishy washiness putting them all together. and i guess they're talking about people who follow an organised religion and that now people who don't are the sort of are the majority. yeah, well, they also said that atheists can also be defined as anyone who lives their life as if god does not exist, which is k