my first question for you is about jim jordan. what happens now? aid, i've got nothing to hide, nothing to keep from this committee, and now he's saying, i won't cooperate. what happens next? >> well, to answer jim jordan, i would quote jim jordan from the views that he expressed in the final benghazi report where he said that all of the truth must come out. everybody needs to testify, and nobody's got the right to hide anything from congress. so, i think he had it right then. jim jordan, more than anybody else, knows what dogged, aggressive investigation is about, even when he's on a wild goose chase, he demands all the information he wants, and we're not on that. we are on the central investigative mission certainly of this decade, if not this century, to get to the bottom of this terrible political crime that was incited and to a substantial extent organized by donald trump. >> lot of time is spent discussing the question of kind of the unprecedented nature of what it would be like to subpoena a sitting member of congress, one of your colleagues

and you know what, jim jordan is not wrong how it is not about him.ur democracy, our constitution, the need to get to the bottom of a president who tried to overthrow an election. so, you know, i think he does have something to hide. it's clear that if he doesn't want to testify before the committee he is hiding something. that is my view. >> the president is going to georgia tomorrow. he is making a very strong pitch for voting rights. this now seems to be the number one agenda in the united states senate. >> well i think it is. and right next to it, i don't think that these are pitted against each other, it's build back better. but i think we've got to get voting rights through. leaders from or's commitment is to try to get it through before mcarthur looting kingdom. because it is directly tied to our civil rights history and to january six. january six was about overturning election. and that includes undermining the right to vote. there is 400 voter suppression bills that have been introduced in the last year. that is not a coincidence that all of

. >> jim jordan, the guy that has nothing to hide is refusing to cooperate in a big test for the january 6th committee because if they don't vigorously pursue jordan, they will never go after trump. >>> also, president biden and vice president harris head to georgia to argue for voting rights legislation, but in a late development tonight, a collision of voting rights group says it will not participate in the biden harris emit. >>> i'll have a discussion with a woman who doesn't think she needs the covid vaccine and why doctors and scientists say she does. in tonight's absolute worst, a repeat offender we try to find someone else, y'all, i swear but no one else came close. "the reidout" continues after this. close "the reidout" continues after goodness. new chapter. wellness, well done. ("this little light of mine") - [narrator] in the world's poorest places, children with cleft conditions live in darkness and shame. they're shunned, outcast, living in pain. you can reach out and change the life of a suffering child right now. a surgery that takes as little as 45 minutes and your act of

in the letter, jim jordan refused the committee's request for his cooperation with the investigation.n not telling the truth about having relevant information with the committee's investigation. the committee is investigating everything donald trump did and did not do on january 6. and everything donald trump did and did not say on january 6. here's what happened to jim jordan when he was asked about that by house rules committee chairman jim mcgovern when jim jordan was not under oath. >> so when did you speak to the former president on january 6? did you talk to the former president before, during or after the attack on the capitol? >> of course i talked to the president. >> or was it all three? >> of course i talked to the president. i've been clear about that. i talk to him all the time. this is not about me, mr. chairman. i know you want to make it about me. of course i talked to the president. i talked to him that day. i've been clear about that. i don't recall the number of times. but it's not about me. i know you want to make it about that. >> joining us now is democratic cong

and why jim jordan is having second thoughts. what the committee is prepared to do about it from congressman adam shift. then, can the law that crippled the kkk hold the proud boys accountable for january six? the attorney general of washington d.c. joins me on his lawsuit. plus, he could be americas least responsible senator and he's running for reelection. >> the vast vaccination into the pandemic, could that be driving these variants? >> all that and the frontline omicron challenges that are not getting enough attention. when all in starts right now. attention good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. congressman jim jordan is once again, it appears, to be putting on a show for an audience of one. donald trump. in a lengthy rambling letter to the bipartisan committee investigating january 6th, the republican from ohio has signaled that he will refuse to speak to the committee after it requested his testimony last month. quote, the american people are tired of democrats nonstop investigations and partisan witch hunts. this r

and jim jordan knows all of that. but, anderson, if he said that, the average republican voter out there would be done with jim jordan. i mean, that's where the republican party is today. you simply can't tell the truth. >> you know, it's so interesting you are saying this because, i mean, even a guy like jim jordan who has bent over backwards to support the former president, who has, you know, pushed the big lie repeatedly gone to the matt for the former president, you are right, even if he did testify and he just told the truth, that would nullify all the other debasement he's done of himself for the former president in the eyes of the former president and his supporters. this former president will attack anyone who tells the truth, even if they have been incredibly loyal to him. >> anderson, it's -- and i'm not the only one to say this. the republican party is a cult. i know a lot of people say that. but what does that mean? that means they are all beholden to donald trump. and the base of the party which is behold

do you need jim jordan for any of those things? if it's first one, they believe the january 6th protesters were freedom fighters and justified. so those are the questions i'm thinking about as i watch this. >> well, julia, i see your three meta questions and raise you a fourth. which is in it the best sense, you know, every so often some days out of the week we could be idealists. in the best sense, can this co-equal branch of government use the powers and process to better calcify the backbone of our democracy and body politic to prevent the next coup, julia? >> i don't think so. it doesn't exist in a vacuum. even if they did, they have a majority that is about to go away. in less than a year. in fact, in 11 months. republicans -- every republican i'm speaking to in washington is counting on not just, you know, flipping the house but a historic majority the likes of which we haven't seen in a generation or two. if they don't punish the party that tried to overturn a free and fair democratic election but reward them handsomely for

that he would show greater patriotism than someone we've seen with jim jordan. he knows what happened in the election. he knows the pressure campaign he was under. and he knows he could do a service to the country by talking about it but he also knows there's a political cost in doing that. i hope he makes the right decision, that's all we can hope for. but in terms of how much cooperation and noncooperation we're getting from people around him, i'm not going to comment on that. all i can say is that the vice president has very material testimony and we hope he'll do the right thing. >> congressman, i was about 14, 15 years old as a 5'5" backup, backup jv point guard. i had a moment where i realized i was not going to be an nba player and it was actually liberating for what i was going to do for the rest of my life and i think mike pence could have that moment with the presidency of the united states. thank you very much for your time. >> thanks, chris. >>> next the d.c. attorney general suing the proud boys and oath keepers using a law originally written to tak

jim jordan is the second member of congress suggesting he will not submit to an interview request. republican congressman perry of pennsylvania did the same last month. this could have major political rammivications if the committee decides to subpoena a fellow member of congress. >> i think it's the least shocking news of the month, frankly, that jim jordan is not going to cooperate. and it goes to the purpose of republicans wanting to make january 6th out to be just another day. and putting a lot of energy into there not being accountability. there not being truth seeking and there not being credibility to the january 6th committee despite the fact that liz cheney and adam kinzinger are members of that committee. because, if they seek accountability, if they strongly and vociferously condemn what happened on january 6th, if they seek the truth, it will invariably put them on a crash course against dear leader, donald trump. and that's something that they can't figure out how to do. how to mark january 6th, tell the truth, seek accountability and at the same time not poke the bear

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jim jordan i will start with you.ou kicked off of the many, given a reason and number one, number two you heard from the department of staff confirmed by inspector general department of defense that all the things they did were correc. why were you kicked off of the committee, and what are your thoughts about the issue of nancy pelosi and the mayor of d.c. rejecting donald trump's call for troops two days a time? >> i think that was why we were kicked out because jim and i were raising that question and she wasn't going to lead us on the committee. the first time in american history, sean, the first time it's happened. i think she is afraid of getting to the truth. why is the sergeant of arms office will not let them release the communications and documents that surround this whole decision? why is that? they won't release information. so we have conflicting testimony between the capitol hill police who said the police chief said he requested national guard be there january 6. sergeant of arms said no, you didn't. con

jim jordan, ranking member of house judiciary committee and indiana congressman jim banks, chairman of public study committee, jim jordan, your reaction to "the ingraham angle." >> right on target and this is america we are always optimistic. but you captured it, the democrats with every principle that we have. think about what they've done just this past year in congress. they close the capital and then acted and kicked the republicans off of committee and wouldn't let republicans on the select committee, trying to end the electoral college and the filibuster, trying to pack the court and nationalize elections as you talked about my trying to let illegal immigrants vote and doing that and some locale and finally my january 6th committee has altered evidence and lied to the american people about that information. so, unprecedented where they want to take us, but the american people get it. we, the people, get it we will stand up and make sure the principles that make our country great are dependent and protected as we go forward. in november, i think we will put republicans in charge o

jim jordan now defying the house select committee.ssman jordan said he had no relevant information and he raised questions about the panel's fairness. the letter was a response to a committee request for cooperation. with me now to share their reporting and insights cnn's nia malika herderson, melanie zanona and jackie kucinich from "the daily beast." nia, we'll start with you. jim jordan acknowledges he spoke to donald trump on the day of the insurrection so how can he say he has no relevant information? that's not his decision to make. >> not at all. he spoke with the president as you said, a big proponent of the big lie and a big proponent also of this idea that vice president mike pence at the time had something to do with the outcome of the election, that he could in fact overturn it so i think the next question is do they subpoena him, right? this is sort of a voluntary please come in representative jim jordan. he, of course, said no. will this escalate further to where they compel him to come in and what would his reaction be t

they want to talk to jim jordan, too. he claims he has no relevant information that would assist the select committee in advancing any legitimate legislative purpose, sound similar? because that's kind of what kevin mccarthy is saying as well. you know what might be relevant? whether he talked to the then president on january 6th. that might be relevant. >> did you speak with president trump on january 6th? >> yeah, i mean, i spoke with the president last week. i speak with the president all the time. i spoke with him on january 6th. i mean, i talk with president trump all the time. that's -- i don't think that's unusual. i would expect members of congress to talk with the president of the united states when they're trying to get done the things they told the voters in their district to do. i'm actually kind of amazed people keep asking me this. i talk with the president all the time, i talked with him last week. >> on january 6th, did you speak with him before, during, or after the capitol was attacked. >> i'd have to go

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we have also have news tonight on jim jordan. jim jordan won't say definitively if he's closed the door on cooperating with the committee, instead dancing around that question referring to a letter he sent claiming that he is nothing relevant to offer. this from the congressman who just a few months ago said he's got nothing to hide. look, we know that he spoke to the then president on january 6th. we know because he said so himself. >> did you speak with president trump on january 6th? >> yeah, i mean, i spoke with the president last week. i speak with the president all the time. i spoke with him on january 6th. i talk with president trump all the time. i don't think that's unusual. i would expect members of congress to talk with the president of the united states when they're trying to get done the things they told the voters in their district to do. i'm actually kind of amazed sometimes people keep asking this. of course, i talk to the president all the time. i spoke with him last week. >> on january 6th, did you speak with hi

and why jim jordan is having second thoughts. committee is prepared to do about it from congressman adam shift. then, can the law that crippled the kkk hold the proud boys accountable for january six? the attorney general of washington d.c. joins me on his lawsuit. plus, he could be americas least responsible senator and he's running for reelection. >> the vast vaccination into the pandemic, could that be driving these variants? >> all that and the frontline omicron challenges that are not getting enough attention. when all in starts right now. attention good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. congressman jim jordan is once again, it appears, to be putting on a show for an audience of one. donald trump. in a lengthy rambling letter to

i would like to see jim jordan be speaker of the house. i think kevin mccarthy is probably a decent guy. he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. he does not seem to have the fire in his belly to pushback and fight. host: would you want mccarthy in leadership? caller: well, wherever he needs to be. i don't what had to be speaker. i think jim jordan carries the message much more strongly than most any other republican i have heard, with the exception of all the -- of the guy that was shot when the radical socialist democrat shot of the baseball field. he would be a good speaker of the house. host: steve scalise, the minority whip? caller: exactly. i'm sorry i cannot think of his name. he is forceful and he tells the conservative side. i am not a white supremacist. i am far from that. the democrats have labeled anyone that is conservative, anyone that wants lower taxes, that once secure borders, anyone that wants a strong military as a white supremacist. the republicans seem to let that hang in the air and go along with it until eventually

and trump being republican congressman jim jordan. the committee continues, quote, none of these communications are subject to any privilege. they all bear directly to the issues of our committee. we cannot in good faith filled to question you to the specifics relevant to our investigations. these are related to the interference with the peaceful transfer of power. this is interesting. again, the gentleman to who this letter has been director -- is a cable news hose. we stress that our goal is not to seek information regarding any of your broadcast, or your political views, or your commentary. we have deep respect for the first amendment to our constitution. as we detailed above, you appear to have factual information directly relevant to the events of january 6th and the attack on the institutions of our democracy. we have a duty to understand all of the underlying facts and to make legislation to recommendations. please identify for the select committee the name of your council. we will work with a person to schedule time for a tran

so you've got scott perry and jim jordan who have been asked to voluntarily come in and share what they know with the committee. they have both said they're not going to do that. what do you do about that? i mean, there is talk about subpoenas but the subpoenas, i think, would be fairly innovative i don't know if that's happened before. usually congress members just cooperate with congressional inquiries. how are you gaming this up? >> well, if they were committed to protect the constitution, they would come before us. but as you've indicated, they have indicated for a variety of reasons, some nonsensical, that they don't want to come before the committee in the case of mr. jordan and mr. perry. clearly, they were communicating with the white house and the former president about the strategy to overturn the free and fair election. and so, that is problematic to them. so it's unfortunate. there are other tools that we have. chairman thompson has said that we are reviewing those. if we have things to share, we will share those. but in its core, i think our appeal is to our colleagues. if

we could keep going. >> that is congressman jim jordan of ohio talking about his new book. you can watch the entire interview this sunday when "after words" airs in its entirety. all "after words" programs are also available as podcasts. you can get them on the c-span app. here's a roundup of some of the best-selling nonfiction books of 2021. heather mcgee examines the cost of racism for all americans in her book the some of us into the code breaker walter isaacson looks at jennifer who invented a dna technology and best-selling author malcolm gladwell examines the development of precision bombing during world war ii. his book the bomber mafia and fox news commentator jesse waters provides a critique of left-wing activists and their policies and wrapping up our look at some of the best-selling books of 2021, it's the "washington post" bob woodward and robert costas report on the transition between trump and biden administration's and their book that came out this fall was called peril. all of these authors have appeared on booktv and you can watch the programs any time on t

although jim jordan has some higher aspirations, kevin mccarthy does appear to have support.es me as a needy people pleaser who will do all these things, sell his soul and still not get the gavel. donna edwards, as the only former member of congress on this panel, i would love to get your final thoughts in the minute that we've got left, on anything that we were just talking about. >> i do want to follow up on the jim jordan piece on january 6th because i do think the committee should subpoena him. jim jordan already admitted on television that he spoke with donald trump in, around, on, unclear, on january 6th. and the committee has to get to the bottom of that. and they need to subpoena any members or another person who can contribute to the narrative about what happened on january 6th. and i'm looking forward, and i know the american people are, to the hearings that are going to come forward in the coming weeks, because i think it will shed light, important light on all of the goings-on around january 6th. >> and he should go to jail if he defies a subpoena? >> any of us wo

jim jordan, we have a clear path to land the plane in nine days. he can't mention the election again ever. i did not have a good call with him today and worse i am not sure what is left to do and say and i don't like and not knowing if it's truly understood, ideas? okay, listen you know hannity had an opening line with trump. it's shocking to hear this from fox news host and of course both trump and hannity pedalled the big lie ever since. >> on january 10th and on the 11th and the 12th, what did hannity tell his viewers? did he inform his viewers about the president's mental health? no, he didn't do that. that's why it's damaging for hannity and his friends at fox. he's not commenting about this and he's pretending it does not exist. there is also the days after the riot. i wondered how was trump musmu the days after the riot? what happened after those days. >> here is hannity saying i had a bad call with him. why didn't you tell your viewers and why did you call the fox newsroom and say we got an emergency in our hand. these men aided and abetted

now, what's not clear at this point is how the committee is going to respond to a jim jordan had to sayentative scott perry of pennsylvania who that have asked for a similar amount of information from. perry also rejected their requests. the committee not said whether or not they are willing to subpoena fellow members of congress. that would be the next option if they are trying to get this information they desperately need. >> thank you very much. let's bring in a member of the january 6th committee. >> wofl, thanks for having me. the hearing that was being held today is being held by the department of justice. sit a civil proceeding. the work of the committee will go on regardless of the outcome of this particular hearing. i do think president trump and those surrounding him who made some very strong comments that i believe encouraged people to come here to the capitol and basically storm this building and injure many people including hundreds of police officers. there is a requirement that they be held accountable. >> what about criminal liability? do you believe at some point your c

i mean, you will probably see him take a similar tact as you know congressman jim jordan and issue a statement that basically says i have got nothing for you. and you heard you know ryan nobles talking about that as well because they know that even though that is effectively sort of defying the subpoena, the -- the enforcement mechanism is a lot less clear for the committee. whether or not they can or would be willing to pursue this even further down the road, so he could simply try to say well everything that you need to know is out there in the public domain. that's obviously not going to satisfy the committee. but it might stall it enough that he doesn't actually have to provide information and faces very few consequences. um, you know, what you are seeing with mccarthy is like with a lot of other republican allies at that time in the -- in the -- on the day of january 6th and afterwards, they were panicked. they believed that, um, that this was catastrophic for president trump. but that all changed as the days and weeks went on, and they realized that trump's base did not, in fac

jim jordan, congressman jim jordan, kevin mccarthy and also an interesting example, what did he say to in the middle of the riot, he calls senator tuberville actually on mike lee's phone. he gets the phones confused, and tells tuberville delay it even more. look, they just took mike pence out. i've got to get off the phone. but all of this evidence speaks to, as you quoted liz cheney saying, was "a supreme dereliction of duty for those 187 minutes." it's not that they don't want -- let me be clear -- for the documents from the national archives, but the pieces of the puzzle are coming together. >> one last question, jamie. >> sure. >> politico noted that there are some republicans close to kevin mccarthy who think he made a tactical mistake by not putting other republicans besides liz cheney and adam kinzinger onto the committee after they said you couldn't have jim jordan and jim banks's they may be witnesses here. how much of an impact is that having? >> i think it's having a huge impact. look, liz cheney is a republican. adam kinzinger is a republican. the argument that there isn't

bravo to jim banks in jim jordan for fighting this fight. >> sean: bravo to you as well.nk you both. as a reminder, marks a new book the chief's chief, at bookstores everywhere. straight ahead tonight, the rnc is standing up to the blatantly abusively corrupt and biased commission on presidential debates, i'm so glad to. the media mob is having a meltdown over it, ronna mcdaniel will explain why she made that decision with joe concha, straight-ahead to. ♪ ♪ >> welcome to fox news live, pentagon officials issuing a warning that russia may soon launch a false flag operation as a pretext to invade ukraine, russia may have already placed a group of operatives in eastern ukraine. this group could conduct acts of sabotage against russia's own proxy forces. white house press secretary jen psaki says the operatives are trained in urban warfare and explosives. the u.s. has a valid severe financial and technological sanctions if russia invades. back here at home more than a month after a search warrant was issued after alec baldwin has turned over his cell phone for the investigati

meanwhile congressman jim jordan of ohio, jim banks of indiana, they were booted from the committee by nancy pelosi. ask yourself why. because they would ask the serious questions. nancy pelosi, mayor bowser, they would have been held accountable. that can't happen. this committee needs to subpoena nancy pelosi if they are serious, mayor bowser, the sergeant at arms, the capitol hill police chief, they need to demand all their emails, texts, phone records. all of these people, if they care, about solving the problem and making our capitol safe and secure in protecting our elected officials. that's what i want them to do. this committee is not about getting to the truth unfortunately. nancy pelosi is off limits according to the chairman and safeguarding our lawmakers at the capitol, well, it should be a top priority. instead it's all about spearing trump and his supporters. are you or have you prevented donald trump supporter. anyone securing the capitol would look into additional fencing barriers. other security measures need to be put in place. anyone actually interested in the truth

scott perry and jim jordan. will there be more on that when they resume their work in the new year and will that just -- that's really going to drive republicans up the wall because they'll claim this is a witch hunt. >> i think that's absolutely right. they will claim it's a witch hunt, but that comes regardless of what the committee does, right? so even if the committee sends out a number of volunteer requests for conversation and documents. we've seen them lash out to the committee and saying this is annel legitimate committee which is all nonsense, by the way and the legislative purpose has been upheld by both dump c. district court and the federal appellate court in the district of columbia. they came without merit, but they are going kri and make a big deal out of this because they know that looking at meadows, if they can be held in con temp of congress they think oh, no, if there is a subpoena in the offing and maybe that's where my fate will end up. >> the republicans wanted jim jordan to be on the comm

what will they do if jim jordan says no thanks, i'm not interested in your voluntary invitation to testifyhas two choices. one, they can just sort of accept it and say, all right, jim, we asked and thanks for coming out and i guess you won't be testifying. the only other real option is to subpoena him, and if the commit means business, that's what they will do, and they need to make an important point which is, one, you can't just defy us, and, two, you don't get special treatment just because like us other members of the committee, like you're a member of congress. you're a colleague, you don't get special treatment because you're one of us. >> we'll watch and see what happens there. meantime, people are still waiting to see what happens with the doj. it's been nearly a month now since the house voted to hold former white house chief of staff mark meadows in criminal contempt of congress. nothing yet from the doj. i know that this is more complicated. it's different than steve bannon. the clock is ticking. i know you're generally -- elie, i know you're a little frustrated with the doj the

you wrote to mark meadows and congressman jim jordan on january 10th, quote, guys, we have a clear path to land the plane in nine days. he can't mention the election again. ever. i did not have a good call with him today. and worse i'm not sure what is left to do or say. i don't like not knowing if it's truly understood. ideas? then that text message sent to white house chief of staff mark meadows and republican congressman jim jordan. the committee continues, quote, in the communications are subject to privilege. they bare directly on the issues before the committee. we cannot in good faith fail to question you on these and specific issues relevant to the vgs. including an investigation into the facts and circumstances relating to the interference with the peaceful transfer of power. this is interesting. again this gentleman is a cable news host. the committee says quote, we stress that our goal is not to seek information regarding any of your broadcasts. or your political views. or commentary. we have deep respect for the first amendment to our constitution. as we detailed above, you

and nobody knows that better than mark meadows, or jim jordan. people in the benghazi investigation, or any number of investigations against democratic presidents, insisted upon absolute compliance. but you know, they do not see the double standard and the hypocrisy of the position that they are acting out here. i think america does see it and it is a rather scandalous thing not to cooperate with the demand for information. and if god forbid, they were ever to control a gavel again, they would undoubtedly go right back to saying that everybody has to cooperate with their benghazi investigations, or whatever they are going to do. >> congressman, one last question, back in 2016 on mlk day, you posted this on your facebook page, it is a photo from life magazine and it shows your mother and father in 1963 at the march on washington, second and third from the right. with their feet in the water, listening to doctor can give his i have a dream speech. talk to us briefly about this photo on that day and what it means to you. >> well there is a great mom

congressman jim jordan, really?te, it appears that you may also have discussed with president trump the potential that he would face a censure revolution, impeachment, or removal from office under the 25th amendment. it also appears that you may have identified other possible options for president trump, including his immediate resignation from office. related, lead the select committee is concerned about potential for continued violence after january six provoked by president trump's false claims that the election was stolen. the committee is aware of communications among white house staff and president trump's supporters regarding the potential for further violence. for example, and this is new today, fox news host laura ingraham texted white house chief of staff mark meadows on january 12th 2021. quote, remarks on cameras discouraging protests at state capitals especially with weapons will be well advised given how hot the situation is. again, that takes reportedly from a fox news host to the white house chief of

jim jordan has suggested that he is unlikely to comply with those voluntary demands. if both refuse to comply, the investigation has to decide whether they're going to issue compulsory subpoenas in response. that's never been done before to a sitting member of congress, let alone two of them. we're not sure if they will do that for scott perry or jim jordan or for other potentially implicated members of congress as well. we're wait ongoing that as well. >>> "the new york times" reports today that the january 6th investigation is also considering issuing subpoenas to trump himself and to his vice president mike pence. so we're waiting to know about that too. and, of course, if those subpoenas do come down from the investigation, it will be interesting to see how long they will be held up in court once trump and pence inevitably defy those subpoenas. and on top of all of that, of course, the supreme court of the united states is now mulling whether it's going to take up trump's appeal. trump lost successive lower court rulings and is now facing an order that he needs to

maria: coming up, jim jordan on fauci misleading the american people.s, the media's role in all of this. project veritas fighting the media censorship. founder james o'keefe is here with breaking news on fauci and fake news, coming up. it's all right here right now on "sunday morning futures." ♪ ♪ maria: but first this morning, joe biden's bad week with a slew of major defeating just days before the one-year anniversary of his inauguration. among his failures, the filibuster survived which killed election reform, scotus blocking the administration's osha mandate and inflation at a 39-year high. 7%. all the while the president's approval rating plummeting to a record low of 33%. what does this mean for his presidency with three more years to go? joining me right now is tennessee senator marsha blackburn. she sits on the judiciary and armed services committee. senator, good to see you this morning. thank you so much. >> good to see you. maria: what do you want to say as president biden marks his one year in office this upcoming thursday about the first ye

>> will never get the answer to those questions because jim jordan, jim banks kicked off the committeewe will not get a truly bipartisan committee like the 9/11 commission. you always come away with one word to describe the day and the only word i can find is cheesy, profoundly cheesy. i got to hear that january 6th was worse than pearl harbor, worse than 9/11? hundreds and thousands of american lives were lost as a result of the attacks and the wars that followed remembered. it's the biggest insult to the american people. we have to hear from nancy pelosi, please welcome me joining the cast of hamilton as they perform -- stop it! this is supposed to be a somber occasion if democracy i'll leave it here, okay? how did this right from a ratings perspective on other cable news networks? this is the high water mark for these networks. the numbers are in. on the key 25-54 demographic, the money demo that advertisers buy their advertising on? cnn and msnbc were beaten by, and i mean soundly, home and garden tv, the food network, comedy central, and something called fy fy. all that hype, they

that's representative jim jordan.stigators, but hasn't yet said no. definitively, right? >> well, there is basically over the last 48 hours been several developments. on sunday he sent a letter to the committee saying that he didn't plan to cooperate because he said he didn't have any relevant information. however, yesterday, my colleague, ryan nobles, pushed jim jordan as to whether or not he had ultimately ruled out participating in the select committee's inquiry and this is what he had to say. >> if they offered you the opportunity to speak in a public setting, would you be willing to do something like that? >> we have the letter, you can read my letter that's our response. >> you said before you didn't have anything to hide, so -- >> i got nothing. i got nothing to hide. but, i mean, i got to tell you, like i said in the letter, i have real concerns with -- i have real concerns with any committee that is going to falsify change evidence and lie to the american people about it. that's why we put it in the letter. >

so far congress members jim jordan and scott perry say they will not cooperate with the committee, andn the house, republican kevin mccarthy, said he will not testify either, which begs the question, are subpoenas on the way? and while the committee zeros in on these some might argue peripheral figures around the insur remembers, what about donald trump, the man who incited the riot? that man is still out stoking the flames of the big lie. listen what he had to say while endorsing a candidate in pennsylvania. >> we won the state. it's something that i contest and i'll continue to contest it. we were up by a massive amount at 10:00 in the evening and then all of a sudden things closed and it reopened and, voila, look what happened. so we have to be a lot sharper the next time when it comes to counting the vote. there's a famous statement, sometimes the vote counter is more important than the candidate and we can't let that ever, ever happen again. they have to get tougher and smarter. >> the dictator that trump appears to be quoting there is, i kid you not, joseph stalin, who once repor

. >> and request for information and interviews for then congressman scott perry and jim jordan, to people who were involved with the operation to overturn the results of the election and were in touch with president trump on january 6, they were noted a few weeks ago but they have denied the request and jim jordan was a little bit concise about it. where do those requests stand and will the committee move forward with subpoenas in order to comply with the investigation ? >> so i don't necessarily have an update on it. i'm sure that now that where it kind of back from the holidays there will be some news out of that in the next i don't know, it's a guess but i don't know. i think it's important. there's a lot of nuance in terms of what can congress do to subpoena a fellow congressman? what can they require them to say? it's really a constitutional question. as we were waiting for right now. i'm of the firm belief that being a member of congress does not protect you from the doj. it certainly doesn't protect you from an inquiry of congress. we have an ethics committee that looks into ethics

and he is simply not going to risk alienating the sort of the trump jim jordan access by cooperatingany shape or form with this committee. now, the challenge as you have laid out there, does sort of which seems hard to avoid is that mccarthy himself as he noted remarkably at the press conference today came out for a bipartisan commission himself early on after january 6th. there is now a bipartisan commission, and obviously, he does not think that cheney and kin k k kenzinger count as republicans, but it does on the path to find out what happened that day. >> and many are saying can you force cooperation, and everyone is going to standby with this busy day, and including capitol hill and the next stop including a busy day for the president which is to consider holdouts to take up voting rights. the president is promising new help for hospitals overwhelped by omicron. and he is promising help to six states, and who makes the cut. you cacan keep your phone. and keep your number. visit your local t-mobile store today. i've always been running. to meetings. errands. now i'm running for m

jim jordan was milquetoast about it. where do those requests stand? and will the committee move forward with subpoenas to get them to comply with the investigation? rep. kinzinger: i don't necessarily have an update. i am sure that now that we are back from the holidays, there will be some movement, probably some news out about that in the next week, as a guess. i think it is important there is a lot of nuance in what the committee can do to subpoena a congressman, what can we require them to say. it is a constitutional question. i am of the firm belief that being a member of congress does not protect you from the doj. it certainly doesn't protect you from an inquiry of congress. we have an ethics committee that looks into potential ethics violations every day. we can police ourselves on those things, we have to. so in my mind, we need this information. and we need it pretty ricky tick. because if members of congress knew what was going to happen, or if they had an inkling of what was going to happen, that is important both from an election perspectiv

they should subpoena jim jordan. he wanted to be involved.ommittee. if he wants to be involved, he can voluntarily go over there and testify. that would be great involvement. we should focus on that. we should push for people to be subpoenaed. we should push for them to listen. hold them in contempt. we should also realize they know quite a lot already and these people who think they can get out of being implicated because they don't testify, i think they're going to learn something very different when this report is issued. >> zerlina, i see you nodding. i'm going to give you the last word before we take a break. >> i think at the end of the day we have to be really clear about why this is all happening, jonathan. the united states will be majority non-white electorate in about 20 years. republicans know that. a lot of what's happening right now is because of that. republicans have become anti-democratic because the democracy that we are growing towards becoming is going to be majority of people of color, non-white voters, and that scares th

this is a text from sean hannity to both then-chief of staff mark meadows and congressman jim jordan. quote, guys, we have a clear path to land the plane in nine days. he can't mention the election again, ever. i did not have a good call with him today. and worse, i'm not sure what is left to do or say and i don't like not knowing if it's truly understood. ideas question mark? just for some context, anderson, later on in the committee's letter, they also -- there is mention of the 25th amendment, which would be the amendment to remove the president. and the committee says to sean hannity that they would like to talk to him act any conversations with mr. meadows or others about any effort to remove the president under the 25th amendment. so it appear, anderson, the committee may have some more information about that. but there is a lot in here that speaks to sean hannity being concerned, no question, about trump's state of mind. >> and what's hannity's response to all of this? >> so, i believe that we just heard back from jay sekulow, who's his lawyer. he spoke to our colleague gloria

ultimately the interesting thing with people like jim jordan is the house has ways to compel testimony punish in a way that we can't with anybody else. you know, obviously we can refer somebody to doj for contempt when it comes to somebody like a member of congress. there's things on committee. there's obviously various i guess perks, that can be used. i'm not saying we're going to use that. i'm saying those are quills we can use if we need to. >> can i ask what this is like for you. you're a republican. you're a member of congress. i'm guessing jim jordan not long ago, i don't know if he was your friend, but he was certainly your colleague. what is it like for you to be a republican member of congress right now? who do you eat lunch with? >> it's disappointing. i think what's the most disappointing for me is i thought there were people that had red lines that, you know, truth to some level actually mattered. when i see somebody, you know, refusing to cooperate in front of the committee. it's like what are you trying to hide. when i see members of congress, when i see ted cruz, you kno