the former defense secretary jim matus recounts his military career and has thoughts on leadership in his book callsign chaos. >> the book is called panic attack. the author is the associate editor of reason magazine who are these young radicals? these are activists who are particularly causing issues on college campuses. they are different from the left that was all about free speech, due process aclu values. what we are seeing now is a lot of attempts to shut down speakers who come to college campuses. even the professors who are on the left as well. they say they can't have conversations with the students anymore. if they do offend them their jobs could be in trouble. it's really changing our culture very quickly and dramatically towards us cancel everybody. it's coming from the activist contingent on the young left. >> and it's all on the left and the right. i do spend a chapter in my book talking about the illiberal liberalism of the right. it has gotten some attention over the last few years like the radical left small in number but loud vocal and has have a huge effect in that

the former defense secretary jim matus recounts his military career and has thoughts on leadership in his book callsign chaos. >> the book is called panic attack. the author is the associate editor of reason magazine who are these young radicals? these are activists who are particularly causing issues on college campuses. they are different from the left that was all about free speech, due process aclu values. what we are seeing now is a lot of attempts to shut down speakers who come to college campuses.

. >> secretary or general or jim matus. >> jim is fine.[applause] [applause] [inaudible conversations] >> holbrook had to take the right lesson. clinton took that lesson just don't get involved but for holbrook that was not the lesson of vietnam. don't get involved, civil war of nationalism that we don't understand and can't win. that as that fascist war and others were paralyzed and then to negotiate the end of the war which was a triumph to show this amazing persistence people thought he was a bully but really he was tenacious and a great student and was willing to spend eight hours eating lamb and rice and pretending to drink with melissa fitch but he didn't drink because he wanted to stay sober but most of it would get drunk and holbrook just had the patience to wait him out until finally he said mister president you have to end the siege of sarajevo. i did not understand how hard diplomacy was until i got into holbrook's life or how much stamina it takes like climbing a mountain and being able to breathe at a high altitude. so the gre

they want to be at the diocese or small town i don't have all the answers secretary or general or jim matus. >> jim would do fine. [applause] thank you [applause] [applause] [inaudible conversations] c-span2. next a discussion about the possibility and consequence officers japan building up its military. with sheila smith, senior

it is a distinction without a difference but they were no longer compatible that also happen with jim matusthink the principle that their advice is not being followed consequentially what am i doing here if i will not be listened to and the president has the right to take advice and counsel of who he wants he is director of foreign-policy not the national security advisor. >> i understand that the resignation what does that mean in terms of policy are there chances - - changes substantially quick. >> anybody who is spent any time around president trump doing national security policy knows he drives and he is the pivotal person in the room. he asks all the tough questions and is literally driving policy development and decision making and at times he will disagree. i don't see any major policy change. however i do see a major process change coming because ambassador bolton i do agree with his view views, walks away largely from the process to establish the risk and then walked away from that. and let's be frank. there are personality differences that is an elephant in the room john is notice