you talked about jim mcdougal. mr. clarke got to know him during the last years or months of jim mcdougal's life. that story is very unsettling and brand new, i think. nobody has told the story. >> guest: yeah, i got access to materials cdougal's psychiatc records and his history in the prison with the permission of his estate. dr. clarke, a wonderful person, really cared about him, spent a lot of time with him in prison. there is no question that he came to believe that there was some grand conspiracy by the clintons and others to get him in this prison. but his death was just tragic. there were a lot of unexplained circumstances. i don't believe the clinton said anything to do with this. incidentally this was during march of 1998. you know because you were involved with the clinton white house. they were focused completely on the monica room wednesday matter. the people play games with this guy? he ended up in solitary confinement. it is a tragic story. the story should not be allowed to repeat itself. jim mcdougal w

completely different story, related obviously to her husband, jim mcdougal. she played a real interesting will come again as backdrop to the impeachment and to the washington, d.c., story. tell us about susan mcdougal and her relationship with president clinton. >> guest: very colorful character, very likable and interesting person. in the book, as you know, and as politico reported first, i report categorically that there was an affair between susan mcdougal and the president, at some point during his governor years. i believe it was brief. i am not saying i believe this to be the case. i am saying it is the case. however, i cannot disclose my sources and i will not disclose my sources. but i also conclude that, although the star operation spent a lot of time and money trying to figure out that piece of things, that it was not the missing link that explains everything or really much of anything. would have been uncomfortable for her to testify about that in the grand jury? he is. which looking forward to that? no. was that the reason she did not testify and w

about susan mcdougal to be completely different story, really about these key to her husband, jim mcdougald really interesting rule again as backdrop to the impeachment in the washington, d.c. story. tell about susan mcdougal and her relationship with president clinton. >> guest: very colorful character, very likable and interesting person. in the book as you know and as politico reported first, on the report categorically there was an affair between susan mcdougal and the president and at some point during his governor years. i believe it was brief. i'm not saying i believe this to be the case. i'm saying it is the case however i cannot disclose my sources and i will not disclose my sources. but i also conclude that although the starr operation spent time and money trying to figure out that piece of things that it wasn't the missing link that explained everything work really much as anything. what have been uncomfortable for her to testify about that in the grand jury? yes. was she looking forward to that? no. is that the reason she did not testify and went to prison instead? i do not bel