with whom you talked about jim mcdougall. mr. clark got to know him during the last years or months of jim mcdougall's life. that story is very unsettling and brand new, i think, nobody ever told the story about jim mcdougall's death. >> i got access to jim mcdougall's psychiatric records and his history in the prison with the permission of his estate, and dr. clarke, a wonderful person, really cared about him and spent a lot of time with him in prison. and there is no question that, you know, he came to believe that there was some grand conspiracy by the clintons and others to get him in this prison. but, his death was just tragic, and it was -- there were a lot of unexplained circumstances. i do not believe the clintons had anything to do with this and, incidentally, this is during march of 1998, so you know, because you were involved in -- with the clinton white house, they were focused completely on the monica lewinsky matter and were not worrying about jim mcdougall in prison in fort worth, texas. however, did people in the

related obviously to her husband, jim mcdougal. played a really interesting role again as backdrop to the impeachment and to the washington, d.c. story. till a little about susan mcdougal and relationship of president clinton. >> guest: colorful character, very likable and interesting person in the book as you know and as politico reported first of a report categorically that there was an affair between susan mcdougal and the president at some point during his governor years i believe it was brief. i am not saying that i believe this to be the case. i am saying that it is the case. however i cannot disclose my sources and i will not disclose my sources for. but i also conclude that the starr operations and money trying to figure out a piece of things that it was not the missing link that explained everything or much of anything. would have been uncomfortable for her to testify about that in the grand jury? yes. was she looking forward to that? no. was that the reason she did not testify and went to prison instead? i do not believe s