that is what jim mckay was. he announced from his heart.that was walter cronkite at the time with the kennedy assassination as well. al: right. right. exactly. the emotion. charlie: pro football. you were there for a great super bowl. how surprised were you by the call? al: i was surprised by the call but i was really surprised by the actual play itself because i can see where you might want to pass in the situation. i get that. charlie: but not in the middle? al: you have a 5'10" quarterback who was very mobile. you roll him out or run it into the end zone. this is all in retrospect. we are second-guessing. pete carroll will make a play call on the fly. charlie: do you know why he made the call that he did? what is your theory? i assumed he wanted to mix it up. you think i'm going to have marshawn come down the middle? i'm not. al: i was in the car with john harbaugh at the time. he worked on our pregame show. this was 45 minutes after the game. i just said to him you don't have to answer me. i said was this a case of one guy trying to out

. >> are you talking about jim mckay. >> i am. >> who did a fantastic job. >> rose: i am. >> jim mckayall a sportscaster. he was-- i once likened him to a favorite teacher. because jim would take you on this grand tour of the world wide world of sports. and he might announce demolition derby. now nobody makes their chops announcing demolition derby. but what made it interesting is how mckay would fold in all of the stories that surrounded the competition. so jim took you around the world. jim was-- he was phenomenal because he knew how to do live television. he lived in the live television world. and he was wonderful. and that was another reason that you know kosel didn't like mckay. because kosel always felt that -- should have put kosel into that role as the newsman. of course all jim did in that role was win a news emmy. and he was phenomenal at night. and the thing about mckay he was such a warm man a warm hearted man. not only did he get everything right that night but there was a certain empathy. when he had to announce that the athletes were dead knowing that families mr. going