jim mcpherson, and many others, and we kicked around so many subjects the highlight of the meeting for me -- this is really -- i don't want to -- it was an extraordinary experience. the highlight came when both tony and steven spielberg were asked by us -- we didn't ask any questions until the very end. we actually thought there might be a third meal but we were ultimately disappointed. we said, how would you film the get get gettysburg address that would be different than, same, gregory peck, or sam watererston's speech in the miniseries. they went on this flight of imagination that a camera back at the end of the crowd, leave falls falling from the trees. wind obscuring words, and not paying attention, and only at the last minute would there be a huge closeup of lincoln's face and you hear the final word, and i thought this made it all worth while. rather than listening to each other, because we just heard the difference between a screen writer and a director, and your chronicling of facts. the next thing that happened is that disney and dreamworks asked me this summer to do -- early