for more, joined biomar kanat and jim millward, a professor of history at georgetown university, thanksboth. kanat, the chinese call these vocational training camps. are they? >> yeah, that's what they say. it's not vocational centers, it is actual jails.th e are a lot of evidences that shows that there are ils. we have victims, we have witnesses, we have victims whoou spent,know, several months and later are released from this i call it concentration camp, and they told their stories and how peoe are being tortured in these so-called vocational centers, how the people are insulted, how the people are humiliated, how the people are deprived from food, from sleep in ordein order to obey what the chinese guards and officials ask them to do. what they force them to do is to denounce their religion, first all, denounce their culture, denounce their even traditions. >> jim millward, there is another line the chinese have. they say there is a serious threat in the area from militants, separatists. there have been terrorists attacks in the area.ar the chinese right to worry about stability? >>